Artemis Moon Program

Conspirator said:
I will say this. November 14th is a bit bold. But if they're able to launch it safe that would be great since we know that they have it rolled into the VAB. I just hope that they've done the necessary preparations and repairs for launch. Godspeed.
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It will be a mad rush to get Artemis 1 ready and back to the launch pad then fuelled, tested and launched all by November the 14th. I think that it will be impossible to go on that date.
 
NMaude said:
phantonphan said:
Archibald said:
November 14th is my wife birthday. SLS would be the ultimate candle / fireworks / light show LMAO.
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Candle good; fireworks bad.
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We don't want the SLS to turn into a high-tech Roman-candle on the launchpad ;) :D.
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unfortunately. that's not a roman candle. that's a giant stick of dynamite.(two actually) according to NASA and a few other sources i couldnt find any info on wether or not they de-stacked the SRB sections. and if they don't, the risk goes up.
does anyone else know anything about whats going on inside the VAB?
 
https://twitter.com/x/status/1580597792707182602
View: https://twitter.com/nasagroundsys/status/1580597792707182602


On Oct. 12, teams replaced ICPS batteries and powered up @NASA_Orion for battery charging and to load flight software. Work is on track for @NASA_SLS to roll out of the VAB on Nov. 4 for our next #Artemis I launch attempt on Nov. 14 at 12:07 a.m. EDT.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1580930219183308802
View: https://twitter.com/nasaspaceflight/status/1580930219183308802


SLS Artemis I rollout currently tracking November 5, pending Flight Termination System (FTS) battery changeouts, which are ongoing this week.

Artemis news:
nasaspaceflight.com/news/artemis/
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Conspirator said:
i couldnt find any info on wether or not they de-stacked the SRB sections. and if they don't, the risk goes up.
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Given how long it took to stack the SLS boosters in the first place, I can guarantee they are not destacking and restacking them ahead of this launch attempt. But the increased risk is incremental (and likely very small) -- it's not like there is a switch that flips at x months and the boosters are suddenly guaranteed to explode on launch.
 
TomS said:
Conspirator said:
i couldnt find any info on wether or not they de-stacked the SRB sections. and if they don't, the risk goes up.
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Given how long it took to stack the SLS boosters in the first place, I can guarantee they are not destacking and restacking them ahead of this launch attempt. But the increased risk is incremental (and likely very small) -- it's not like there is a switch that flips at x months and the boosters are suddenly guaranteed to explode on launch.
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i fully understand that. it may be a "small, incremental risk." but it's still a risk. (ex. Challenger, Columbia, Apollo 1, Apollo 13) and we can't change that. all we can do is hope the risk assessment team is correct and ARTEMIS can take off without issiues.
 
phantonphan said:
If nothing else, they will find out what the time limit is on keeping the SRB stacked . . . or not
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And what about the infamous o-rings that separate the different sections of the SRB's? Would they have to be replaced as well as the sections, because I do not want a repeat of the Challenger disaster again. :confused:
 
FighterJock said:
phantonphan said:
If nothing else, they will find out what the time limit is on keeping the SRB stacked . . . or not
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And what about the infamous o-rings that separate the different sections of the SRB's? Would they have to be replaced as well as the sections, because I do not want a repeat of the Challenger disaster again. :confused:
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my point exactly.
 
FighterJock said:
phantonphan said:
If nothing else, they will find out what the time limit is on keeping the SRB stacked . . . or not
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And what about the infamous o-rings that separate the different sections of the SRB's? Would they have to be replaced as well as the sections, because I do not want a repeat of the Challenger disaster again. :confused:
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The whole segment joint with the O-rings was redesigned after Challenger anyway. And the failure then wasn't age, it was launch temps.

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TomS said:
FighterJock said:
phantonphan said:
If nothing else, they will find out what the time limit is on keeping the SRB stacked . . . or not
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And what about the infamous o-rings that separate the different sections of the SRB's? Would they have to be replaced as well as the sections, because I do not want a repeat of the Challenger disaster again. :confused:
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The whole segment joint with the O-rings was redesigned after Challenger anyway. And the failure then wasn't age, it was launch temps.

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And that is what is bothering me about the O-rings as well. If the November 14th launch is scrubbed yet again due to unforeseen issues then that will force NASA to move the launch into next year because they have never launched any rocket during the winter due to the Challenger disaster.
 
sferrin said:
I'm not holding my breath.
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I'm keeping my expectations low so as to not be disappointed if it's scrubbed again.

On another note I've seen it mentioned on another board and I agree that Artemis I'd SRBs should've been equipped with recovery parachutes so that once they've burnout and separated they could be recovered to be inspected.
 
NMaude said:
sferrin said:
I'm not holding my breath.
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I'm keeping my expectations low so as to not be disappointed if it's scrubbed again.

On another note I've seen it mentioned on another board and I agree that Artemis I'd SRBs should've been equipped with recovery parachutes so that once they've burnout and separated they could be recovered to be inspected.
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well..... where could we put the equipment for that? the nose cone is taken up by the jettison boosters..... the older models did have chutes. (shuttle program) why couldn't they do that now? weight?
 
Conspirator said:
the older models did have chutes. (shuttle program) why couldn't they do that now? weight?
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I'm sure they could add the parachute recovery system to the SRBs and still have performance to spare, but seriously NASA should've set up Artemis I's SRBs to be recovered after they separated so that they could examine them for any defects, Artemis I qualifies as an SRB test-flight. Remember that the Shuttle's STS-1 flight was the definitive test-flight including the SRBs first flight-test.
 
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NMaude said:
Conspirator said:
the older models did have chutes. (shuttle program) why couldn't they do that now? weight?
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I'm sure they could add the parachute recovery system to the SRBs and still have performance to spare, but seriously NASA should've set up Artemis I'd SRBs to be recovered after they separated so that they could examine them for any defects, Artemis I qualifies as an SRB test-flight. Remember that the Shuttle's STS-1 flight was the definitive test-flight including the SRBs first flight-test.
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100% agreed. i wish there was a way to get into the press to ask them that question during the pre-flight interview.
 
sferrin said:
FighterJock said:
Flyaway said:
Webcast link for the 14th is up already:

View: https://youtu.be/CMLD0Lp0JBg
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Looks like NASA will launch Artemis 1 on the 14th November after all. Let's see if they have sorted all the issues out that were causing the previous launch attempts to be scrubbed.
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I'm not holding my breath.
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One of the most knowledgable posters on NSF said they expected December to be the most likely month for it to launch, and it’s looking more likely as time goes on that their prediction might well be correct.
 
FighterJock said:
Flyaway said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1583622931464142848
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Ready for @NASA to begin humanity’s return to the Moon on November 14? Meet me at midnight.

Okay, fine. #Artemis I is scheduled to launch at 12:07 a.m. EST, but you get the point.
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I did not think that NASA would launch Artemis 1 at midnight EST, that would make it an early morning launch UK time.
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I wouldn’t worry to much as there’s probably only a small percentage chance it will actually launch on that date.
 
FighterJock said:
Flyaway said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1583622931464142848
View: https://twitter.com/senbillnelson/status/1583622931464142848


Ready for @NASA to begin humanity’s return to the Moon on November 14? Meet me at midnight.

Okay, fine. #Artemis I is scheduled to launch at 12:07 a.m. EST, but you get the point.
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I did not think that NASA would launch Artemis 1 at midnight EST, that would make it an early morning launch UK time.
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Orbital mechanics don't care what time it is for puny humans. The launch window is what it is.
 
TomS said:
FighterJock said:
Flyaway said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1583622931464142848
View: https://twitter.com/senbillnelson/status/1583622931464142848


Ready for @NASA to begin humanity’s return to the Moon on November 14? Meet me at midnight.

Okay, fine. #Artemis I is scheduled to launch at 12:07 a.m. EST, but you get the point.
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I did not think that NASA would launch Artemis 1 at midnight EST, that would make it an early morning launch UK time.
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Orbital mechanics don't care what time it is for puny humans. The launch window is what it is.
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Looks like I will need to set my alarm then. I am not one for getting up at 05:00, fingers and toes crossed that the launch will be a success this time round.
 
NMaude said:
Archibald said:
"Ligth this candle" and this will be one hell of a candle.
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Let's hope it doesn't turn into a Roman candle on the launchpad;):D.
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If it does it will be the largest explosion in spaceflight history since the giant Soviet era N-1 rocket blew up, so let’s see what happens when NASA launches it this time round.
 
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FighterJock said:
NMaude said:
Archibald said:
"Ligth this candle" and this will be one hell of a candle.
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Let's hope it doesn't turn into a Roman candle on the launchpad;):D.
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If it does it will be the largest explosion in spaceflight history since the giant Soviet era N-1 rocket blew up, so let’s see what happens when NASA launches it this time round.
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that is very reassuring FighterJock:). i really, really hope that it doesn't happen. i hope that NASAs risk assessment team is correct and we can get a successful lift off. its been a while since us Americans have done a big mission like this. so we might be a bit rusty.:p
 
Conspirator said:
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FighterJock said:
NMaude said:
Archibald said:
"Ligth this candle" and this will be one hell of a candle.
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Let's hope it doesn't turn into a Roman candle on the launchpad;):D.
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If it does it will be the largest explosion in spaceflight history since the giant Soviet era N-1 rocket blew up, so let’s see what happens when NASA launches it this time round.
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that is very reassuring FighterJock:). i really, really hope that it doesn't happen. i hope that NASAs risk assessment team is correct and we can get a successful lift off. its been a while since us Americans have done a big mission like this. so we might be a bit rusty.:p
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Same here Conspirator, but you can never tell with spaceflight being what it is these days. Let’s all wish that Artemis 1 launch is successful and that we can get Astronauts to the Moon as soon as possible.
 
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The Nov. 12-27 launch period for Artemis I may be shorter than it appears. NASA currently targeting Nov. 14. Nov. 20 and 21 not available, and due to Holiday Airspace Release Plan, it's possible the Florida range may close from Nov. 22-27 for air travel. So maybe just Nov. 14-19?
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1584907519125774337
View: https://twitter.com/nasagroundsys/status/1584907519125774337


Vehicle Assembly Building High Bay 3 platforms A, H, J, and K have been retracted in preparation for roll to Launch Pad 39B for #Artemis I. Platforms B, C, D, E, and G will be retracted this week, and F will be retracted last, after final FTS testing is completed.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1585282324740071424
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Platforms E and B were retracted yesterday, C this morning. D later today, leaving only F & G left. @NASA_Orion got through all power up ops yesterday – and hatch closed.
Still targeting Nov. 4 for roll out of @NASA_SLS, and Nov. 14 as the earliest date for launching #Artemis I.
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All VAB platforms are now retracted except for G, which will be retracted tomorrow afternoon/evening and F, which will be next week.
Flight Termination System (FTS) testing is on track to happen soon.
Crawler-transporter 2 is set to move into position at the VAB on Monday.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1585707469300432896
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NASA's Jeremy Parsons at #VonBraun2022 says the agency is looking at a fourth launch attempt in the November launch period for Artemis 1, likely around Nov. 25 (day after Thanksgiving). This would require coordination with the FAA for airspace around the Thanksgiving holiday.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1585707661198229505
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The first three Artemis 1 launch opportunities identified in November are Nov. 14, 16, and 19. Rollout of the SLS to the pad remains scheduled for Nov. 4.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1585707236730425344
View: https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1585707236730425344


Parsons and John Honeycutt also confirm that the flight termination system waivers they secured in September to extend its use were one-time, but thinking about options for a more permanent change. #VonBraun2022
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1585710821753004032
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Northrop Grumman’s Doug Hurley says the solid rocket boosters should be good for “several” more launch periods before they would want to examine the motors (which
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