it will be INSANELY expensive(im talking at minimum high 10s if not 100s of billions over the lifetime of the system) and it would take the UK decades since it lacks the infra to build and mass produce it. The UK is now building this with project nightfall but the 2027 target is incredibly optimistic when nations with significantly more experience than the UK have taken a lot longer. And this is just a 500km tactical BM, not a strategic ICBM.

Do the French spend that much on M.51?

Total spend on M.51 including procurement is closer to 20-25bn EUR. And thats with multiple variants over the last few years...and its all spent in France...

The total cost to the UK of Trident D.5 including procurement over the years is not far from that figure....with practically all of the spend in the USA...
 
Do the French spend that much on M.51?

Total spend on M.51 including procurement is closer to 20-25bn EUR. And thats with multiple variants over the last few years...and its all spent in France...

The total cost to the UK of Trident D.5 including procurement over the years is not far from that figure....with practically all of the spend in the USA...
But France already has the big solid fuel plants, plus a test range, and the weather satellites for BALPARS weather data (I assume France has something equivalent).

The UK would have to build them.
 
But France already has the big solid fuel plants, plus a test range, and the weather satellites for BALPARS weather data (I assume France has something equivalent).

The UK would have to build them.

France relies on European weather satellites, UK has access to all that data.

A large solid rocket capability is being developed in the UK (not ICBM level yet) and has been recognised as a missing capability that needs to be addressed....we're going to need one regardless....

As for a test range...we have a missile test range already off the Hebrides so we know what we're doing....plenty of places we can use, including discrete places like the Falklands....

There's no doubt it would need significant investment....but Trident is a significant investment. At least we'd get to keep some of the cash...

And if the US continues on its current trajectory we'll need to do it regardless...
 
France relies on European weather satellites, UK has access to all that data.
Okay, so that's one really expensive thing you don't necessarily need.


A large solid rocket capability is being developed in the UK (not ICBM level yet) and has been recognised as a missing capability that needs to be addressed....we're going to need one regardless....
There's a difference between "SRBM/IRBM" scale solid rockets and "ICBM" scale solid rockets. Though the composite wrapping etc from the ICBM will greatly improve any smaller missiles as well.


As for a test range...we have a missile test range already off the Hebrides so we know what we're doing....plenty of places we can use, including discrete places like the Falklands....
Honestly, the test range for SLBMs is more an instrumented target point with a few tracking cameras around the launch point.



There's no doubt it would need significant investment....but Trident is a significant investment. At least we'd get to keep some of the cash...
I'm not sure "significant" really describes the scale of investment involved here.

Remember when Polaris and Force d Frappe ate the entire budgets in the 1950s and 1960s?


And if the US continues on its current trajectory we'll need to do it regardless...
I mean, ever since 2022 the NPT has been out the window anyways.
 
What would happen if we went down the route of designing our own ballistic missiles instead of purchasing the Trident 2s from the US? And especially to the Dreadnought class submarine's?
Why spend several decades literally reinventing the wheel? The choice was always between American and French SLBMs. You could argue that in the immediate post Cold War era the British could have hypothetically poached old Soviet SLBM technology and hired unpaid post-Soviet engineers for a “British” replacement for Trident, but it’s hard to imagine advisors to Major or Blair even thinking in that way. And that is precisely the only way Britain could have developed an entirely home grown Trident replacement. Britain couldn’t reverse engineer Polaris or Trident, or even consider such a course.
 
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Why spend several decades literally reinventing the wheel? The choice was always between American and French SLBMs. You could argue that in the immediate post Cold War era the British could have hypothetically poached old Soviet SLBM technology and hired unpaid post-Soviet engineers for a “British” replacement for Trident, but it’s hard to imagine advisors to Major or Blair even thinking in that way. And that is precisely the only way Britain could have developed an entirely home grown Trident replacement. Britain couldn’t reverse engineer Polaris or Trident, or even consider such a course.
What technical aspect couldn't we do....
 
What technical aspect couldn't we do....
Apparently according to some chaps on the Internet, based on reports by anti-nuclear campaign groups.
Britain knows nothing about nuclear weapons and makes nothing relevent at all to them.

Yes Britain has no bespoke manufacturing capabilities at all. Not even in research.

Apparently it's so difficult, no one but the US and USSR could afford it.
 
Examples.
Major UK Suppliers and Specialists Carbon-Phrenolic :-

Beagle Technology Group (South West): Involved in aerospace component manufacturing.

Brookhouse Aerospace Limited (North West): A leader in total manufacturing solutions for composite structures.

Carbon ThreeSixty Ltd (South West): Specialises in the design and manufacture of advanced composite structures.

Deva Composites (Cope Engineering): Manufactures advanced composite tubes and profiles, including carbon and phenolic systems.

Cecence/FTI (UK): Develops specialized snap-cure carbon prepregs (CePregPH) for transportation interiors.

ADS Group

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Key Material Properties
Ablation Resistance: Carbon phenolic materials excel in ablative liners, designed to decompose under severe heat to protect underlying structures.
Fire Safety: These materials are known for low flame spread, low smoke generation, and low toxicity.
High Temperature Tolerance: Capable of withstanding extreme aerodynamic heating on space capsules.

Tritium gas handling.


• H3AT Facility: The UK Atomic Energy Authority (UKAEA) is constructing the H3AT (Hydrogen-3 Advanced Technology) facility at Culham Campus in Oxfordshire. Expected to be operational by 2028, it will be the world's largest and most advanced tritium fuel cycle facility.

Top UK Precision Inertial Guidance Systems Providers:-

Silicon Sensing Systems (Plymouth): A world leader in MEMS-based sensors, gyroscopes, and accelerometers used in defense, space, and industrial applications.

OXTS (Oxfordshire): Specialized in GNSS/INS technology for automotive autonomy, UAVs, and surveying, particularly in GNSS-denied environments.

Leonardo UK (London/Greenford): Provider of tactical inertial systems like LINAPS for artillery fire control.

Roke (Romsey): Developers of the Roke Exploration Navigation System (RENS) for accurate, non-GNSS dependent navigation in complex environments.

Steatite Embedded (Watford): Suppliers of rugged inertial systems and Safran GNSS integration for military applications.

Innovelec UK (Westhill): Distributor for Inertial Labs high-precision FOG and MEMS-based INS.

Strainsense UK (Hertfordshire): Providers of a variety of INS/GPS systems for precise navigation.

Datron Technology (Cornwall): Supplier specializing in inertial navigation sensors.

These companies offer high-precision, ITAR-free, and robust solutions often designed for navigation under extreme conditions
 

Wondering whether the DIP might be funded in its entirety?

Additionally, is the consensus that Type 32, and by extent, additional escorts, are no longer on the card, especially considering the planned submarine fleet growth? There was that Ben Wallace 'frigate vs submarine' study that never saw the light of day, and something in me believes that the submarines may have won that.
The Times reporter has it that the DIP will be in June and its another cut fest, the Type 83 kicked to the long grass, £10 billion in savings in delayed or descoped projects, but with another £18 billion still to be found...
View: https://x.com/larisamlbrown/status/2034729593995702483
 
I think all countries will be looking at their bottom lines not just the UK the way the global economy is going.
 
The Times reporter has it that the DIP will be in June and its another cut fest, the Type 83 kicked to the long grass, £10 billion in savings in delayed or descoped projects, but with another £18 billion still to be found...
View: https://x.com/larisamlbrown/status/2034729593995702483

Type 83 is not a disaster...Type 45 have barely been run in and are getting a comprehensive upgrade...

I think all countries will be looking at their bottom lines not just the UK the way the global economy is going.

Unfortunately the current UK Parliament is filled with people, despite the highest borrowing costs since 2008 and worsening, who believe we need to spend even more on welfare and borrow more to fund it...and for the Labour Party that's the only way of protecting what little support they have left...when close to 40% of the total MP's, including a majority of the recent intake under Labour, background is in the Charity sector they only seem to understand doling money out...but not the implications of doing so...they will inevitably get a huge surprise when the markets give them the necessary education/correction...
 
For all those worried about this Times article, I'd just say that in the very same article, they've hidden at the very bottom a statement from the MoD essentially calling the entire story unfounded speculation.

Additionally, if you replace the specific part relating to the FADS with, let's say, the MRSS, the actual article essentially is unchanged. That should give an indication of the calibre of reporting. Only a couple of steps ahead of the 'anonymous defence official'.
 
To be fair FADS may be undergoing reassessment right now anyway.
 
Type 83 is not a disaster...Type 45 have barely been run in and are getting a comprehensive upgrade...
Yes and no, yes the 45s have a chunk of life left in them due to their engine issues, but, kick the 83 into the long grass does that mean a gapped period for the design team with skill issues and cost increases (ala the Astutes) when the ship design comes round again? What happens to the two yards if the follow to the 26/31's are gapped?
 
Sir Keir Starmer has refused to set out a timeline for reaching his promise of increasing defence spending to 3 per cent.

Appearing before the Commons liaison committee on Monday, the Prime Minister faced demands to “set out a clear path” for increasing defence spending.

The Government has announced plans to increase defence spending to 2.5 per cent of GDP by next year and to 3.5 per cent by 2035 if Labour wins the next election.

But Sir Keir has so far refused to set out a timeline to hit 3 per cent, despite calls from MPs across the political spectrum.

He has also faced criticism over the long-delayed defence investment plan (DIP), which sets out what Britain will spend on its Armed Forces over the next decade. The spending blueprint was meant to be published in the autumn but the Treasury and Ministry of Defence still have not agreed how to spend the money, amid claims the military budget faces a £28bn funding gap over the next four years.

Challenged by Tan Dhesi, the Labour chairman of the Commons defence committee, to “chart out a path” to reaching the 3 per cent target before the next election, the Prime Minister failed to do so, saying only that he would set out his plans “in due course”.

Sir Keir said: “We’ve already committed to 2.5 per cent in 2027 and we’ll hit that.

“We have made that commitment to 3 per cent in the next Parliament and to 3.5 per cent in 2035.”

[snip]
 
If anyone wants to read the questions and answers direct from the horse's mouth, rather than with the extra layers of partisan interpretation that are layered over whichever source is used, here is the link to the oral evidence session most of the recent news has come from:
The Defence related questions are Q8-33, or p6-13
 
Yes and no, yes the 45s have a chunk of life left in them due to their engine issues, but, kick the 83 into the long grass does that mean a gapped period for the design team with skill issues and cost increases (ala the Astutes) when the ship design comes round again? What happens to the two yards if the follow to the 26/31's are gapped?
My suggestion would be to build the MRSS at that time. They're going to be relatively cheap things but will take time due to size.
 
My suggestion would be to build the MRSS at that time. They're going to be relatively cheap things but will take time due to size.
I agree. MRSS seems the most urgent at the moment, and as I've mentioned elsewhere, Type 9X series - specifically Type 91 - could support upgraded 45s if 83 is delayed
 
My suggestion would be to build the MRSS at that time. They're going to be relatively cheap things but will take time due to size.
Depending on the size MRSS ends up there are very few options for building them in the UK. I don't think BAE will bid for them at all at Glasgow, they would prefer making money off complex warships to escorts. Babcock at Rosyth could build a 'strike frigate' based off a stretched AH140 design but that would be limited very much in capability as it would top out at ~8000t. The big build dock at Rosyth is needed for carrier refits unless Inchgreen can be developed to take over that job. Belfast could do it for any size we like but the FSSS build is in the way until 2030 at least.
My opinion is that the project should be split into two or three large replacements for the Albions along the lines of Ellida Strike and then 4 Strike Frigates merged with T32 at Rosyth.
 
Depending on the size MRSS ends up there are very few options for building them in the UK. I don't think BAE will bid for them at all at Glasgow, they would prefer making money off complex warships to escorts. Babcock at Rosyth could build a 'strike frigate' based off a stretched AH140 design but that would be limited very much in capability as it would top out at ~8000t. The big build dock at Rosyth is needed for carrier refits unless Inchgreen can be developed to take over that job. Belfast could do it for any size we like but the FSSS build is in the way until 2030 at least.
My opinion is that the project should be split into two or three large replacements for the Albions along the lines of Ellida Strike and then 4 Strike Frigates merged with T32 at Rosyth.
The UK is that tight for large-ship drydock space?

That's ... [words not allowed on this forum]
 
The UK is that tight for large-ship drydock space?

That's ... [words not allowed on this forum]
We have more docks at Devonport, Rosyth and Portsmouth that could fit 25kt ships for maintenance I think, but none of them have the giant cranes etc for building them. We build ships like this very rarely so we're lucky to have H&W able to accommodate our entire build programme now that Swan Hunter have gone.
 
We have more docks at Devonport, Rosyth and Portsmouth that could fit 25kt ships for maintenance I think, but none of them have the giant cranes etc for building them. We build ships like this very rarely so we're lucky to have H&W able to accommodate our entire build programme now that Swan Hunter have gone.
And even that requires a complete rebuild and investment in H&W's workforce and equipment before it can start producing, which also means that there's the question of what does it do after the FSSS order?
 
And even that requires a complete rebuild and investment in H&W's workforce and equipment before it can start producing, which also means that there's the question of what does it do after the FSSS order?
Builds some Type 83s or 26/31s. Or some Type 94s (overgrown Type 91s)
 
And even that requires a complete rebuild and investment in H&W's workforce and equipment before it can start producing, which also means that there's the question of what does it do after the FSSS order?
MRSS, no?
Then possibly a Tide replacement? They're a bit stuffed in the 2038-2045 period.
Builds some Type 83s or 26/31s. Or some Type 94s (overgrown Type 91s)
We're a lot less flexible than US yards in terms of what can be built where. BAE own the IP for T26 unlike the US system, so we can't force H&W to build other ships or BAE to lease their design. Besides, H&W should be kept for big steel bashing projects, they have neither the expertise nor a well laid out yard for escort sized ships.
 
Nigg and Seaton...
Those two are fundamentally unsuitable for ship building and repair – we looked.
BAE own the IP for T26 unlike the US system, so we can't force H&W to build other ships or BAE to lease their design.
There are solutions to that, but they require spending political capital on defence.
 
A CV9040CT could have met the needs of the UK but maybe also France (likely in much smaller numbers as a tracked complement to the VBCI) … what could have been.
Agree that a joint UK-FR cavalry vehicle was a missed opportunity, given similar requirements and expeditionary philosophies. But CV90 is still too big and too much like Ajax IMHO.

Something like Panhard's Sphinx in tracked form would have been ideal... around 18t for better tactical and strategic mobility and lower cost. Basically like BAE's CV21 concept but with a lower hull height. Shift the focus from heavy protected armor and carrying dismounts to acting as a forward node for your fires network, launching quadcopters for reconnaissance and NLOS missiles for engagement out to 8-10km. And add C-UAS capability to the CTA 40mm gun.

Plus you get that retro WW2 Desert Army look... Gemini pic below ;-)

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Navantia is remaking Harland and Wolff for a new era

By George Allison

March 6, 2026

The discussion around Harland and Wolff still rests on the obvious markers: the cranes, the dry dock and the sense of a famous Belfast yard returning to naval work. Yes, that captures the surface of what is going on, but it does not explain what is changing inside the yard, or why the scale of work now underway is being treated as a reset rather than a refurbishment.

I spent the day at the Belfast yard speaking with executives and engineers to understand what is actually taking shape behind the headlines. The ambition being set out is for Navantia UK to develop into what it describes as a “third UK naval prime”, reflecting a long-running debate about the concentration of British warship construction and the intent behind the National Shipbuilding Strategy to broaden the industrial base. Within that context, the company presents Belfast as the centre of a new prime-contractor footprint rather than a yard focused on producing sections for other programmes, arguing that it fills what it sees as a structural gap in sovereign capacity.

You can watch our report below.
Ben Murray, Chief of Staff at Navantia UK, put numbers on what is happening across the former Harland and Wolff group. He said the four yards at Belfast, Appledore, Arnish and Methil were undergoing a significant transformation since their acquisition by Navantia UK, backed by £115 million of investment, including £90 million at Belfast, alongside new equipment, new machinery and a substantial transfer of knowledge, systems, process technology and tools from Spanish colleagues. He linked that directly to the role the company sees for itself in UK shipbuilding. “All of that is about creating a third credible prime here in the UK, the capability and the capacity to support the country with its requirements, what it needs, what the Navy needs, in an increasingly uncertain geopolitical context.”

Navantia’s role in this goes beyond ownership in name. The company is drawing on a parent with recent experience of running large naval programmes, and using that backing in two ways that matter on the ground. One is financial: recapitalisation only works if investment decisions can be taken and delivered without the stop-start pattern that has shaped many UK yards over the past decade. The other is industrial. Murray’s emphasis on knowledge transfer from Spain sits behind the practical changes now visible in Belfast, from the panel line and cutting capability to the push for more integrated production control and a workforce trained to operate modern equipment rather than rely on workarounds.

That UK-Spain structure also came up when I asked where design authority and intellectual property sit. Derek Jones said Navantia UK is a separate UK company, but argued that the wider group relationship gives the British yards access to proven designs and know-how when needed. “If we wanted to build one of those Spanish… design vessels here in the UK, the IP is unrestricted from Spain, we could get free access,” he said, while noting that there would be security limits in some cases. He added that the principle can work in the other direction too, with UK-developed work shareable within the group subject to customer and security constraints.

Jones, Navantia UK’s Chief Commercial and Business Development Officer, used the same language as Murray but pushed it into the practical consequences for the wider fleet. He described Fleet Solid Support as the beginning of a broader recapitalisation of the RFA, with strategic sealift and the rest of the fleet expected to follow.

The main part of the day moved from briefing into a tour. Jones described the new hall as “the showstopper” and explained its importance in simple terms. Navantia UK had issued plenty of press releases about the investment, he said, but here people could actually see it.

Peter Rusk, Programme Manager at Harland and Wolff with responsibility for recapitalisation activity tied to the FSS programme, then took over for my tour. He began with readiness and certification, saying the building control certificate for their new facility extension had been received on 12 February and that the project was now moving into the practical completion stage.

Rusk’s explanation focused on production flow. He described the extension as the front end of a new sequence, with steel arriving into a mini stockyard before moving onwards to the profile line. Alongside that, he said, the yard is refurbishing one of the greens at the commissioning quay to handle steel deliveries, with additional work already carried out to level and improve the stockyard area. That matters because this is not just new machinery. It is a reorganisation of how steel is received, staged and turned into parts.

Rusk then moved to the condition of the existing halls and what is being fixed alongside the new build. One roof has already been replaced, he said, and further investment has now been approved to replace what is known as a cathedral roof. The reason is obvious enough on site. “If you’ve seen it before, even now, you’ll see the puddles,” he said. He also pointed to the reality of dealing with legacy materials, including asbestos on the outside and older roofing and cladding products. As he put it, modernising older yards means going through all the proper treatment and associated work rather than simply dropping new machinery into old buildings.

The equipment discussion then became more specific. Rusk talked through new cutting machinery, including delivery dates and configuration. He referred to new burning machines with twin capability and said they were due on 17 April, adding that both were a little ahead of schedule. Inside the extension, he set out what is being installed and how it fits together. Smaller burning machines are already in place, while two new cranes have been installed with further lifts due shortly. He returned several times to the central figure of 450 tonnes per week, which is the processing capacity the investment is intended to support. More broadly, he said the purpose of the recapitalisation was to transform the yard into something more digital and more automated, echoing the “shipyard 5.0” idea raised earlier in the day.

Rusk also spoke about suppliers and the extent to which work has been delivered locally. A large share of the extension, including cranes and associated civil work, has gone through local suppliers. Jones later sharpened that into a political point during the briefing. “This civil works, I think all the contracts were placed with Northern Ireland businesses,” he said. “When the politicians stand up and talk about defence being an agent for growth… this is the sort of thing that it translates into.” He added that the main contract package was worth about £10 million and had either sustained or created around 50 jobs.

Murray later spoke about recruitment and the need to match new equipment with trained staff. He said people were already joining, that the company now had 222 apprentices on the books, and that recruitment was under way for a further 90. “It’s all well and good having the facilities, but you also need to have the people and the ability to use those new bits of technology and that new kit.”

Jones expanded on the practical challenge of staffing in Northern Ireland. He said FSS was among the earlier major programmes to carry a strong social value weighting, and that Navantia UK had a dedicated team working with charities, schools and community groups to bring people in. He also pointed to the tight labour market. Unemployment in Northern Ireland is particularly low, he said, so much of the task is about upskilling and reskilling rather than drawing on a large pool of available labour. He added that the company expected to work closely with firms such as Airbus and Boeing in the wider regional manufacturing base.

He also described the pitch to potential recruits as a career rather than a contract. “We’re trying to offer people a career in shipbuilding,” he said, adding that the longevity lies not only in FSS but in future shipbuilding more broadly. He pushed that further with a line familiar from recruitment messaging but still revealing in how the company wants its workforce pipeline to be understood. “You could join us as apprentice and become the MD.”

On the group’s geography, Jones gave a sense of how the four yards are being used. He described Appledore as a smaller yard suited to specific work and used historical examples to make the point, including Echo and Enterprise and carrier-related work. On FSS, he said Appledore is building the bulbous bows before shipping them to Belfast for integration. Arnish, by contrast, was described as continuing to handle energy-market work while also offering potential for other activity, including defence-related tasks, helped by its remote location and proximity to operational areas. He gave broad headcount estimates of about 200 people at Arnish, 250 at Appledore and a path toward 1,200 across the group.

Jones and Murray also touched on “hybrid navy” thinking, with Jones suggesting that different sites could play roles in future maritime concepts and pointing to Arnish’s location as potentially useful for activity linked to Atlantic Bastion.

Out at the dry dock itself, Rusk explained how it can be used flexibly. The dock can effectively be split, he said, allowing one half to be flooded while the other remains dry, supporting different stages of work at the same time. He also pointed to maintenance requirements on the dock structure. “We can see the walls have kind of broke away, and you can see the rebar,” he said, adding that repairs are planned. The scale of the dock was underlined repeatedly in conversation, including references to what could fit inside and to the vertical structures that separate wet and dry sections.

Jones gave a blunt assessment of what comes next after infrastructure. “There’s a lot of work… but just need to start building ships,” he said. “Once that starts, it creates its own momentum.” Facilities work matters, he argued, but it does not engage the whole organisation in the way serial build does.

There was also a thread running through Jones’ comments about exports and the company’s longer view of being a UK shipbuilder with a Spanish owner. He pointed to global programmes delivered by Navantia and suggested there is room over time to export from the UK, though only once credibility has been established at home. “We need to walk before we can run a wee bit,” he said, adding that FSS has to come first.

When I asked how design authority and intellectual property sit between the UK business and the wider group, the answer was that Navantia UK is structured as a separate UK company, but it can draw on Navantia’s existing design portfolio when it makes sense. The practical point was that, if a proven Spanish design is selected for build in the UK, the yards can access that IP without needing to reinvent the baseline, subject to security limits and customer constraints on sensitive details. The same logic was described as running the other way too: work developed in the UK can be shared within the group where the customer allows it, with the usual restrictions applying around sovereign requirements and classified elements.

After the tour, the discussion moved away from plant and production flow and into the workforce side of what it takes to restart a shipyard at scale. Jim McHarg, Chief People Officer at Navantia UK, described the change in mood over the past 15 to 18 months. From a skills perspective, he said, reinvigorating the yard with people matters because the future had previously looked very precarious. He described recruitment that goes beyond traditional shipbuilding pathways, including people arriving from sectors such as retail and then being trained into electrical, mechanical, welding and fabrication roles.

McHarg argued that greater predictability in demand changes how companies and colleges can plan. The industry, he said, was much more cyclical 10 or 15 years ago, more like a roller coaster, but continuous demand allows businesses to plan better and bring people in with greater confidence. He also pointed to the scale of training activity already under way, saying around 20% of the workforce would be in some form of training this year across the group.

He described relationships with further education colleges as long-standing, but said the numbers are now rising to a different level. What were once smaller intakes are becoming substantial enough to fill full classes. At the same time, he said, the company is trying to build more training facilities inside its own yards so that college delivery can be combined with yard-based preparation. That matters because, as he noted, the cultural adjustment is real. “It’s totally different in a shipyard compared to college,” he said. “You need a little earlier in the morning… it’s not like being at school with the teachers.”

On facilities, he said progress varies by yard. Methil, he noted, is due to get a new skills centre inside the yard, with activity expected in Q2 or Q3 this year. More broadly, he said, the wider £115 million recapitalisation package includes skills centres and welfare centres for the workforce.

Belfast already has a training centre, but McHarg described it as serviceable rather than where the company wants it to be. There is room for improvement, he said, and he used investment elsewhere in UK shipbuilding, including on the Clyde, to illustrate the gap. The aim is to get somewhere between the current position and the standard seen in more modernised yards. He also spoke about skills constraints at national level, including the structure of qualifications and entry requirements for apprenticeships. Questions such as whether an apprenticeship should last three years or four, he suggested, are worth revisiting, as are entry thresholds that may be too high and risk excluding people who could succeed in the trades. He added that the company is involved in wider skills structures across Northern Ireland, Scotland and the south west, alongside bodies such as Skills Development Scotland and Scottish Enterprise.

Reducing dependence on overseas labour also came up in the context of building a stable core workforce. McHarg said the issue is how to minimise reliance on overseas resource that can be expensive or unreliable, while accepting that overseas trades can also be productive and deliver high-quality work. The broader point, in his view, is that UK industry should not default to that model as its answer to domestic skills shortages.

Technology formed part of the same argument. McHarg said traditional images of shipbuilding trades no longer fully match what modern production lines require. Running the Belfast panel line, he said, calls for a different kind of welder, closer in some respects to mechatronics and computer-controlled production than to older assumptions about manual labour.

Perception was another recurring theme, he described it as a persistent barrier to recruitment, shaped by decades of industrial contraction. The sector, he said, is trying to shift public understanding of what modern shipyards actually look like. He described practical outreach aimed not only at potential recruits but at their families too, including open days and welcome events so parents can see where their sons and daughters will be working. His argument was that this kind of contact spreads through communities and gradually changes assumptions.

McHarg said the company is already seeing signs of improved interest in apprenticeships, with perhaps 15 or 20 applications for a single role, and he pointed again to school visits and community engagement as part of the routine. He also noted that social value requirements on programmes such as FSS reinforce that outreach and make it part of programme delivery. He also addressed the question of attitudes toward defence work in some educational environments, including protests that have affected graduate recruitment events. His response was framed around purpose. “What is wrong with working in an industry where you’re trying to keep peace in the world,” he said, suggesting that for many recruits that remains a persuasive case.

Across the morning, the picture that emerged had three layers. One was physical and immediate, dominated by Rusk’s walkthrough of the yard and the arrival schedule for major cutting machinery. Another was organisational, with Murray and Jones discussing workforce growth, apprenticeship numbers and the practical constraints of recruiting in a tight labour market. The third was strategic, with Jones discussing RFA recapitalisation, MRSS and the sequence of programmes that will determine whether Belfast maintains a steady build rhythm.

The next test is whether the yard’s new flow moves from installation into steady production at the rate implied by the new equipment and processing figures, and whether work follows quickly enough to keep that capacity in constant use
 
From todays The Times (Irish edition):
Bill to ready British industry for war delayed

Max Kendix Political Correspondent

Plans to put Britain's critical infrastructure and industries on a war footing have been put back until at least next year.

The Defence Readiness Bill, which ministers had initially promised would be introduced earlier this year, will not feature in the government's plan for legislation until mid-2027 at the earliest.

Critics said the delay risked "sending damaging signals to adversaries and allies" at a time of increasing geopolitical tensions and leaving Britain out of step with European governments.

The bill would require key industries to prepare their workforce in the event they were called up for war, and give ministers powers to boost the reserve force. There would also be provisions to make infrastructure such and energy networks and railways a military priority.

Lord Coaker, a defence minister, said in June last year the bill "will come some time at the beginning of 2026". This has been pushed after concerns from departments that preparations for the legislation were not in place. It will not figure in the King's Speech, scheduled after local elections next month.

Tan Dhesi, the Labour chair of the defence select committee which called for the bill's publication last November, said the legislation was "essential to empowering government to act in the event of crisis or conflict". Dhesi added: "It is now April, and the bill is nowhere to be seen and there has been no confirmation that the bill will be mentioned in the King's Speech."

Another Labour MP said the bill would leave our defences further behind. They added: "If we have learnt anything from Iran is that we're already behind. We need a big signal to the country that we need to mobillise and wake up."

James Cartlidge, the shadow defence secretary, said it showed "Labour's dither and delay goes from bad to worse". He added: "At a time...when our adversaries are rearming at a frightening pace, Labour are moving far too slowly."

James MacCleary, the defence spokesman for the Liberal Democrats, said it sent a "dangerous signal of hesitation to our allies and our adversaries".

Government sources said progress could still be made without the bill.

A government spokesman said: "National security is our first duty, and we have the resources to keep the United Kingdom safe from attacks, whether it is on our soil or from abroad. We're constantly hardening and sharping our approach to homeland security, hacked by the largest sustained increase in defence spending since the end of the Cold War, making the UK well able to respond to the threats we face."
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Agree that a joint UK-FR cavalry vehicle was a missed opportunity, given similar requirements and expeditionary philosophies. But CV90 is still too big and too much like Ajax IMHO.

Something like Panhard's Sphinx in tracked form would have been ideal... around 18t for better tactical and strategic mobility and lower cost. Basically like BAE's CV21 concept but with a lower hull height. Shift the focus from heavy protected armor and carrying dismounts to acting as a forward node for your fires network, launching quadcopters for reconnaissance and NLOS missiles for engagement out to 8-10km. And add C-UAS capability to the CTA 40mm gun.

Plus you get that retro WW2 Desert Army look... Gemini pic below ;-)

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Every now and then I go back to this article from Think Defence and look at all the common sense....

 

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