If it's the same aircraft that flew with the Y-9, the above doesn't seem to conform to that planform, it does seem like it's a flying wing with two portrusions at the back. We don't have an idea of scale, so for now could be anything, from a prop driven model to something much more serious, up to and including the H-20 (!). I struggle though to see why they'd put tails on it since we seem to have a whole range of chinese tailess designs, manned and unmanned.

This could very well be three seperate aircraft, the latest photo might be related to that VG patent and Y-9 wingman could be a CCA, both of these are pretty definitively tailless while this weird flying wing with protrusions might be another drone of some sort.
 
This could very well be three seperate aircraft, the latest photo might be related to that VG patent and Y-9 wingman could be a CCA, both of these are pretty definitively tailless while this weird flying wing with protrusions might be another drone of some sort.
That certainly could be the case, thought the flying wing might just be PS to throw us off among the recent developments. If the mystery aircraft is manned then we're looking at a good portion of the whole teapot/teacup PLAAF/PLANAF ecosystem, possibly 3 (!) manned 6th gens and at least 4 mid and high end CCAs. Plus not forgetting the WZ-X that i'm sure will have a role to play in this ecosystem, and the only one missing from this party, the H-20.
 
That certainly could be the case, thought the flying wing might just be PS to throw us off among the recent developments. If the mystery aircraft is manned then we're looking at a good portion of the whole teapot/teacup PLAAF/PLANAF ecosystem, possibly 3 (!) manned 6th gens and at least 4 mid and high end CCAs. Plus not forgetting the WZ-X that i'm sure will have a role to play in this ecosystem, and the only one missing from this party, the H-20.
Well, if the picture is truly of the actual flying article of that patent then this aircraft would be the first new variable sweep wing design built in 44 years.

Also from what I've heard H-20 project was completely revamped sometime between 2018 and early 2020s. The original render showed a B-21 like flying wing but that was pre-revamp so whatever H-20 is now assuming the project was not cancelled in the first place might be something quite different.
 
The limited of flights filmed right now is... due to that they haven't flown them since May. This is normal, the original J-20 prototypes was only flown a handful of times before moving on to the next aircraft or undergo siginificant modifications before taking flight again.

Some big assumptions there.

Presumably there were prior tech demonstrators which weren't observed (at least by the public). So it follows that there must be some capacity to do test flights covertly.
 
IMO, it likely just relies on LRF for ranging or even the radar arrays. EOTS are good at spotting stealthy targets, it could direct the radars to focus on a single point to achieve a lock even against VLO targets at considerable range. Theoretically speaking the side arrays seems to be the same size as your normal fighter sized radar(F-22/F-35 sized) so should achieve similar ranges or even better range if new technology such as gallium oxide TRMs are used.

are you aware of any specific Gallium Oxide based sensors arrays being developed? in the west, GaN is still exciting/new.
 
are you aware of any specific Gallium Oxide based sensors arrays being developed? in the west, GaN is still exciting/new.
They are being explored. There's an article floating around from 2020 about AFRL experimenting with Ga_2O_3 sensors that included a number of partnering companies that are working on this. There's a number of air force related SBIR contracts with companies to build GaO related electronics. NRL, AFRL, NASA have all been doing exploratory and rudimentary implementation work. You really have to dig around for this stuff and the most information rich article I've seen was actually just that one article from AFRL.

So yeah GaO is definitely being explored. GaN is "new" in terms of procurement / fielding - which is probably the more egregious disparity here.

Speaking of which - maybe we should make a new thread just to keep track of where GaN, GaO related tech is at.
 
They are being explored. There's an article floating around from 2020 about AFRL experimenting with Ga_2O_3 sensors that included a number of partnering companies that are working on this. There's a number of air force related SBIR contracts with companies to build GaO related electronics. NRL, AFRL, NASA have all been doing exploratory and rudimentary implementation work. You really have to dig around for this stuff and the most information rich article I've seen was actually just that one article from AFRL.

So yeah GaO is definitely being explored. GaN is "new" in terms of procurement / fielding - which is probably the more egregious disparity here.

Speaking of which - maybe we should make a new thread just to keep track of where GaN, GaO related tech is at.
@Reddington777 thanks, agree with your points and think a new thread is a great idea.
 
In fact, I want to laugh a little, there should be no reason for China to develop a third manned sixth-generation aircraft. This one is very much like a fake picture.
Not to mention a lack of leading edge alignments from inlets to wing tips, etc which is a big no no in stealth. I don't even think the plane is symmetrical. Not only a photoshopped but a bad one at that
 
Not to mention a lack of leading edge alignments from inlets to wing tips, etc which is a big no no in stealth. I don't even think the plane is symmetrical. Not only a photoshopped but a bad one at that
In fact, I want to laugh a little, there should be no reason for China to develop a third manned sixth-generation aircraft. This one is very much like a fake picture.
Although the newer clearer pictures showing intake and undercarriage is fake, the initial 2 pictures of the side seems to be genuine and maybe that one where the aircraft is directly overhead. It could very well be another manned aircraft or loyal wingman.
 
A) This is a fake, likely using a still of the J-36 for the front fuselage. I’ve been thinking this since yesterday. I’m convinced now.
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B) This is a CCA, taken from the footage of it flying with a Y-9, that surfaced ~1-2 weeks ago. It is clearly not the same aircraft as (C) below, including any of that VG CATBOR stuff, which borders on nonsense IMHO.
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C) If, as someone said above, this is supposedly the only real picture of “[G]J-XD3”, it would make sense because it clearly looks different to those PSed J-36 ones, like (A), that did the rounds yesterday (with the clear image quality on the trailing edges and undersides).

Am I the only one that thinks this thing looks big? I see a slight bulge that makes me think a cockpit is more likely than not (of course, could be satcom)but mostly because judging by the front gear, the undercarriage is either comically tiny, or the aircraft is big… and what looks to be at least 2, but maybe 3 wheels in the main landing gear bogie.
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Pretty fair assessment by a SDF member
 
Am I the only one that thinks this thing looks big? I see a slight bulge that makes me think a cockpit is more likely than not (of course, could be satcom) — but mostly because judging by the front gear, the undercarriage is either comically tiny, or the aircraft is big… and what looks to be at least 2, but maybe 3 wheels in the main landing gear bogie.

That may align with rumors of XAC H-20 being supersonic and stealth. Which would result in such a planform.

Rumors being rumors, but if anyone is going to build a supersonic stealth bomber rn it's probably China. And H-20 has been in the works for a long time now.
 
If the picture is real, wouldn't - finally - the designation "JH-XX" be more appropriate?
 
Agreed EmoBirb, there has been little or no recent news about the H-20 stealth bomber, that could possibly mean that it could have gone under a total redesign from a subsonic flying wing to a supersonic all aspect stealth bomber.
 
That may align with rumors of XAC H-20 being supersonic and stealth. Which would result in such a planform.

Rumors being rumors, but if anyone is going to build a supersonic stealth bomber rn it's probably China. And H-20 has been in the works for a long time now.
That or H-20s supersonic partner. Since China can afford at least 2 6th gens and at least 4 high end CCAs (but possibly there might be more) why can't they afford two types of bombers to cover all mission requirements?

That, or chinese Darkstar? When i saw the design with the W trailing edge i half-jokingly referred to it as the chinese Aurora. Maybe it's no joke.
 
It was House Representative Jake Ellzey. He is on the appropriations committee so he should be cleared for some pretty high-level information. This is not to say that he necessarily understands the exact nuances of everything he is briefed on, but presumably he was briefed something to the extent of "China has 3 6th-gens."
View: https://youtu.be/akroQFfXS0o&t=152
 
We've got an interesting new specimen...

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I have run this photo through several photoshop detectors, and the entire outside edge shows signs of manipulation, particularly the trailing edge. However, this could easily be from the post processing that most phones do by default. It's interesting that the trailing edge appears more sharpened than the forebody, something you can see with the naked eye when looking at the photo, but you'll notice that the entire airframe nevertheless shows signs of manipulation (the trailing edge doesn't appear to have been photoshopped onto an original image).
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I have run this photo through several photoshop detectors, and the entire outside edge shows signs of manipulation, particularly the trailing edge. However, this could easily be from the post processing that most phones do by default. It's interesting that the trailing edge appears more sharpened than the forebody, something you can see with the naked eye when looking at the photo, but you'll notice that the entire airframe nevertheless shows signs of manipulation (the trailing edge doesn't appear to have been photoshopped onto an original image).
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View: https://x.com/RupprechtDeino/status/1952621747447984141
 
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So, the current word is that this is the only confirmed real picture of the aircraft. Grapevines from proven sources on the PLA suggest this is a technology demonstrator by some research institute(?). They also said it is "Much larger than the F-60" which is interesting because the F-60 referred to the original FC-31 prototypes and those were pretty large aircrafts already at 11.5*17.3 meters. It could also be a scaled model but manned full sized demo is possible.
 
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Hmmm, I remember some Chinese sources claiming the J-36 was undergoing “radical changes” that people “may not like”. Assuming the newest images aren’t photoshopped, could it possibly be a modified J-36? They shared an almost identical undercarriage. Again assuming its not photoshopped
 
Hmmm, I remember some Chinese sources claiming the J-36 was undergoing “radical changes” that people “may not like”. Assuming the newest images aren’t photoshopped, could it possibly be a modified J-36? They shared an almost identical undercarriage. Again assuming its not photoshopped
I don't think it could be that quick...
edit: as it was just 2 months ago since the latest recorded flight.
 
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Of the last three stragglers in the meme, F/A-XX is barely clinging to the bumper while the E7 and shipbuilding faceplant flat onto the cement.

F47 barely made it by climbing in thru the driver's seat while the rest of the car is all the humdrum useless bullshit the government budget can never stop paying for.

yay.
 
Hmmm, I remember some Chinese sources claiming the J-36 was undergoing “radical changes” that people “may not like”. Assuming the newest images aren’t photoshopped, could it possibly be a modified J-36?
Maybe it was photographed after some of the trailing edge controls fell off? :rolleyes:
 
I don't think it could be that quick...
edit: as it was just 2 months ago since the latest recorded flight.
If it is a new aerodynamic configuration of the J-36 (which was my immediate thought when I saw it), there would still be a use for the previous version, systems and engine testing, for example. It may even have been decided upon before the first version flew . . .

cheers,
Robin.
 
Fwiw a screenshots of a screen (!) with some additional images of the mystery plane. There is still a debate whether this is PS or not, and some are confident it's manned demonstrator at least. Need to do more waiting and seeing for now i guess.

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Or may be a competition with 3 diferent models
 
Currently I am thinking that the new fighter is an UCAV to accompany the J-36 and J-50? manned fighters quite why the PLAAF want a third manned 6th gen fighter is beyond me.
Medium (J-50) and Heavy (J-36) for PLAAF and one for PLAN would be a possibility if you want to make sense of three advanced aircraft flying.
 
These photos are highly likely to be FAKE, guys. :oops: Here are some arguments from Chinese websites:

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1T6tpzaE1x/

1. There are clear J36 videos and photos with the same angle and background;
2. Noise analysis reveals missing noise in the sky areas, indicating obvious post-processing;
3. Upon close inspection of certain photos, severe misalignment in bilateral structure and perspective is observed — some even lack symmetry.
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Fwiw a screenshots of a screen (!) with some additional images of the mystery plane. There is still a debate whether this is PS or not, and some are confident it's manned demonstrator at least. Need to do more waiting and seeing for now i guess.

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First, I overlaid and compared Images 1 & 2, 3 & 4 & 5, and 8 & 9 in Photoshop. Why are they pixel-identical despite differing compositions? The Canon R50's maximum burst speed is 15fps. Did the photographer use some time-freezing magic to prevent any relative movement between the plane and trees within 1/15th of a second?'*
'Second, why is the image sequence so illogical? Chronologically, Images 1-6 capture the plane flying over treetops. Then how did Video 7 appear? Was it filmed during a second pass? What about Images 8-9? Why do these zoomed shots perfectly overlap with earlier frames after scaling?'

'Lastly, is the pinned comment truly sourced from these camera exports? If so, why do their zoom levels differ from camera thumbnails? Why do the camera previews show locally enlarged views? As we all know, the camera viewfinder interface does not support zoom functions.

Personally, I believe only one photo is real: that FIRST blurry long-range shot taken with a smartphone.
 

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