Dassault MD.450 Ouragan, Prototypes, Projects & Variants

[Rafix200]

"In September 1947, a series of talks outlining the project took place between Dassault and the Bureau d'Etudes et Plans d'Etat Major. The French government's response to the proposal was positive; however no firm order for the aircraft was placed at this time, necessitating the project to proceed as a private venture. In December 1947, the detailed design work phase of the project, which had been allocated the design number M.D. (Marcel Dassault) 450, commenced. On 7 April 1948, the construction of a prototype began at the company's factory in Saint-Cloud, Paris." - Wikipedia.

Has anyone ever got to the first concept sketches of Dassault M.D.450 and would be able to present them?
Greetings.

 

[Deltafan]

Hi,

At the beginning of the book : Les chasseurs Dassault Ouragans, Mystères et Super Mystères, Jean Cuny, Docavia/Larivière Publishing, 1980, page 33 :

above: a preliminary draft from the fall of 1947
below: a preliminary draft from the beginning of 1948

 

[Rafix200]

Thank you very much for your answer!

 

[F.L.]

This is a thread to discuss the Ouragan, its built and unbuilt variants.
These pictures shows an MD.450R or an MD.450-30L ?

 

[F.L.]

Does anyone have more information on this variant of the Ouragan ? I couldn't find anything on the net.

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

That's the MD450 No 3 with afterburning Nene 105-AR engine.

 

[Deltafan]

This is a thread to discuss the Ouragan, its built and unbuilt variants.
These pictures shows an MD.450R or an MD.450-30L ?
View attachment 695671

As there was only one Ouragan with side air intakes, it can only be the MD.450-30L, at two different stages. As far as I understand, for this photo it is equipped for radionavigation tests with Sadir-Carpentier equipment in the nose.

 

[F.L.]

And here is the MD.450R.

 

[F.L.]

And here is the "Barougan" designed for operations on unprepared terrain.

 

[F.L.]

Remarks by Johan Visschedijk: "Four Ouragan's were experimentally converted for operation from unprepared airstrips. Named Barougan, a contraction of the Arabic word Baroud (battle) and Ouragan (hurricane), these were fitted with double wheeled main landing gear units with low-pressure tires retracting into a ventral fairing and a tail braking parachute. The first Barougan, serialed 140, made its maiden flight on February 24, 1954, the above pictured second first flew October 23, 1954. Two further copies, serialed 223 and 225, flew in 1957, but further development was abandoned in 1958. Some of the aircraft were reverted to Ouragan standard."

 

[Archibald]

Baroudeur + ouragan = Barougan (which really sounds silly - sounds like an elephant screaming loudly).
Didn't knew that "baroud" (as in "baroud d'honneur" and "barouder") came from an arabic word.

 

[F.L.]

Didn't knew that "baroud" (as in "baroud d'honneur" and "barouder") came from an arabic word.

It's another word from Algeria. Like Kasbah (House), Kiffer (to like), Caïd & more & more.

 

[Archibald]

Kiffer ? how about that ! Since 1998 I know and use that word, I had no clue it was algerian.

 

[Caravellarella]

Love the Ouragan, such a neat & nifty design!



Terry (Caravellarella)

 

[klem]

Didn't knew that "baroud" (as in "baroud d'honneur" and "barouder") came from an arabic word.

It's another word from Algeria. Like Kasbah (House), Kiffer (to like) & more & more.

In truth, it is an Arabic word that designates black powder, often associated with the Fantasia of Algeria, a race where riders line up and charge by firing a baroud d'honneur at the end of the race and the Kasbah is a neighborhood characterized by an Arabo-Ottoman architectural style.-Google search.

 

[F.L.]

Didn't knew that "baroud" (as in "baroud d'honneur" and "barouder") came from an arabic word.

It's another word from Algeria. Like Kasbah (House), Kiffer (to like) & more & more.

Kasbah is a neighborhood characterized by an Arabo-Ottoman architectural style.-Google search.

In the French language, the word Kasbah is used to refer to a house, but in reality in the 1960s it was the name of the Arab neighborhood of Algiers.

 

[F.L.]

Kiffer ? how about that ! Since 1998 I know and use that word, I had no clue it was algerian.

Arabic more precisely.
Kiff in Arabic is a drug, the powdery form of hashish.
Return to read Joseph Peyré ! L'Escadron blanc, Sous l'étendard vert...
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiffer

 

[klem]

( http://avions-de-la-guerre-d-algeri...s-md-450-ouragan-et-le-barougan-64975683.html ) - ( http://spotaero.blogspot.com/2015/11/lhistoire-du-dassault-md-450-ouragan.html )

 

[Nik]

Did the wing-tip pods improve matters by delaying vortices ??

( FWIW, with those real-neat proportions, sorta looks like Canberra's 'little cousin'...)

 

[Justo Miranda]

Some additional info here

 

[Justo Miranda]

Post-2

 

[Justo Miranda]

Post-3

 

[F.L.]

Wahoo, wonderfull, Justo !!!

 

[F.L.]

https://www.dassault-aviation.com/fr/passion/avions/dassault-militaires/md-450-ouragan/

 

[Silencer1]

Dear Justo, thanks for sharing "Ouragan" stuff!

I like the Dassault postwar aircraft for their multiple logos and inscriptions. Company made a lot of efforts to ease the future aviation historians in recognition and identification of particular example of aircraft.
For example: "Ouragan" logo on the nose, engine type - at the middle, and exact modification name and construction number on the rudder. Other aircraft manufacturers just missed such a good chance to remain in the history

 

[F.L.]

The most impressive thing is to know that Ouragans flew in El Salvador until 1998 (1) ! Only the T-33 can afford to flirt with the MD.450 !
(1) According to the book "Latin American fighters".

 

[F.L.]

The most impressive thing is to know that Ouragans flew in El Salvador until 1998 (1) ! Only the T-33 can afford to flirt with the MD.450 !
(1) According to the book "Latin American fighters".

I remember that, according to the same book, a Salvadoran MD-450 shot down a DC-3 drug plane.

 

[Motocar]

Cutaway Dassault MD. 450 Ouragan author Aviagraphica and retouched by Motocar

 

[hesham]

From Docavia 13,

a Twin Ouragan Project.

 

[Archibald]

Trying to wrap my mind at how many Ouragan / Mystere II / Mystere IV / SMB-2 were produced. Very interestingly the french and english Wikipedia disagree on every single number.

Ouragan : 350
Mystere II : 150
Mystere IV : 410
SMB-2 : 178
Total = 1088

 

[Romistanker]

- The MD 450 R photographic reconnaissance aircraft, with its existence as prototype number 8. The cannons would have been replaced by one or two cameras. The use of the Atar jet engine was considered, allowing more space for fuel. A tail-mounted radar (AN/APS 13) was also planned. This version greatly interested the General Staff, who had the technical specifications drawn up and planned the construction of mock-ups. A reconnaissance variant of the MD 452 was also planned. Unfortunately, these aircraft were no longer needed after the United States supplied the modified F-84G and then the RF-84F. Its planned specifications were a weight of 6.5 to 7.6 tons, a maximum speed of 910 km/h at ground level and 840 km/h at 9 km, and a maximum range of 2,400 km.

- A two-seat training version was considered in 1950 to replace the MS 472 "Vanneau" for fighter pilot training. This project was abandoned when foreign aircraft of this type became available through American aid.

- The MD 451, sometimes designated "Aladin" or "Harmattan," was intended to be a two-seat night fighter with a radar nose, replaced in 1951 by the MD 453.

- The MD 450 M, a naval version whose development was quickly halted.

- The Barougan

Source : Les avions de combat français 1944-1960 ; I - Chasse-Assaut de Jean Cuny ; Édition Docavia

 

[iverson]

The two seat MD.451 and MD.453 Mystère IIN were the night fighter prototypes. MD.452 was the Mystère IC prototype, a swept-wing Ouragan with the Rolls-Royce Tay engine. MD.453 Mystère IIC was the production day fighter with the ATAR 101 engine and twin 30-mm DEFA guns.

 

[Aardvark]

Any view wheel bay and cockpit interior Dassault M.D 450 Ouragan?