Vladimir Bodiansky Projects and Prototypes

[hesham]

Hi,


the Bodiansky Type 20 was a well known aircraft,does anyone know the Bodiansky
Type 16 and Type 30 aircraft ? ,all I know the Type 30,only one aircraft was built.

 

[toura]

Hi Hesham

Sorry, I don't know !!
Bye, and a good Sunday.

 

[hesham]

My dear Toura,


the Bodiansky Type 16 and Type 30 are mentioned in Trait d'Union magazine,
issue 161,but I don't have it.

 

[Stargazer]

Did a bit of searching on Bodiansky... A very interesting guy!

Vladimir Bodiansky was born in Kharkov, Ukraine, in 1894. He graduated from the Moscow Institute of Roads and Bridges. He then obtained a degree as a civilian aeronautics engineer from the aeronautics institute of Leningrad (some sources claim he also graduated from the French Ecole Supérieure d'Aéronautique). After designing and building several aircraft (including a seaplane) Bodiansky spent most of his career in France as a teacher at the famed Paris School of the Fine Arts. He became a technical adviser with the United Nations on the construction of their New York headquarters in 1947 (alongside with Le Corbusier), and also actively worked on Marseilles' La Cité Radieuse, buildings in Dabendé, Guinea, and the Olympic compound in Phnom-Penh, Cambodia. He even conceived a telescope!

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is the Bodiansky Type 20 aircraft.


http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6555773n/f3.image

 

[hesham]

Hi,


Mr. Vladimir Bodiansky has also many patents;


https://tel.archives-ouvertes.fr/tel-00654374/file/Christel_Frapier_these_vol_2.pdf

 

[hesham]

Via my dear Tophe,


in French competition of 1930 for two seat observation catapult-launch seaplane,the
tenders were; Besson MB.41,CAMS-90,Potes-450,Levasseur PL-11 & PL-12,Romano R.?,
FBA-?,Gourdou-Leseurre GL-830 & GL-831 and Bodianski Type-30.


The Bodiansky Type-30 was two seat low-wing float seaplane,powered by one 380 hp Gnome-
Rhone 7 Kd engine.


TU 161

 

[Maveric]

WOW, very good find!
THANKS ;D

 

[hesham]

Via my dear Tophe;


the Bodiansky Type-16 was two seat monoplane of 1930,equipped with a high-lift devices (as in translation).I don't know if that mean a STOL aircraft or not ?.


TU 161

 

[hesham]

Hi,

I know that; Bodiansky designed a seaplane called T-2,not related to Type-30 ?.

 

[Apophenia]

Hesham: I don't know Bodiansky's Type 16 but the Bodiansky 20 had leading-edge slots (and trailing-edge flaps).

BTW, a few new-to-me photos of the Avions Bodiansky 20 popped up on eBay:
http://www.ebay.fr/itm/AVIONS-VLADIMIR-BODIANSKI-AVIONS-CAUDRON-HYDRAVION-VILLIERS-Legion-Etrangere-/151682255959

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Apophenia.

 

[hesham]

I know that; Bodiansky designed a seaplane called T-2,not related to Type-30 ?.

At least two sites mention Bodiansky T-2,here is one of them (Messier);

http://www.acam.asso.fr/histo/premiers_equipements6.php

 

[Kdmoo]

Another view of the Type 30 from Sept 1932.

 

[hesham]

What is the source Kdmoo ?.

 

[Kdmoo]

It came from one of the French periodicals found at Gallica.

 

[VictorXL188]

Further to the previous references to Mr Bodiansky, I came across this site, http://p-d-m.livejournal.com/461717.html, which features both the Pics of the Type 20 which came up in the E Bay sale and also the Type 30 Seaplane shot. I also noticed in the text that it mentions that there are doubts whether the Type 16 'came into metal' as it so eloquently puts it, making it sound like that was a paper project only.

 

[VictorXL188]

Also amongst my trawl for Bodiansky 20 pics I came across this one on http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php/17-The-Ongoing-Mystery-Aircraft-Thread-Part-Deux?s=a091abf6f6cf154d96371e68ef1c4aa6. Although of poor quality, at least it is a good side view of the aircraft.

 

[hesham]

Nice find my dear Victor,

you must to know that,this site always takes its Infos from our forum.

 

[avion ancien]

I posted that image on the Ongoing Mystery Aircraft thread on the SOH forum website. I sourced the photograph from Les Ailes and not this website. It would have been polite if VictorXL188 had credited me. And you, Hesham, ought to be a little more circumspect and less ready to make a vast generalisation when, at least on this occasion, there is no substance to it.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is the Bodiansky Type 20 aircraft.


http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6555773n/f3.image

This aircraft was powered by one 100 hp Renault engine.

 

[PhR]

Bodiansky 20 is well known and many publications can be found about it on Gallica. Bodiansky 30 is less known. But as shown attached Bodiansky had also designed a twin engines aircraft. Unfortunately I do not know its designation.

 

[hesham]

Bodiansky 20 is well known and many publications can be found about it on Gallica. Bodiansky 30 is less known. But as shown attached Bodiansky had also designed a twin engines aircraft. Unfortunately I do not know its designation.

Oh my God,

many thanks to you dear Philippe,but it looks like a fighter,please what
is its date ?.

 

[PhR]

Oh my God,

many thanks to you dear Philippe,but it looks like a fighter,please what
is its date ?.

It's also a mystery for me. I only have photos, without comments.

 

[hesham]

It's also a mystery for me. I only have photos, without comments.

Many thanks,but definitely it was from 1934 and up ?,do you know any more
projects for him ?.

 

[hesham]

Many thanks,but definitely it was from 1934 and up ?,do you know any more
projects for him ?.

If so,we can assume that,it was from the competitors of 1934 C.2/C.3/CN.2,

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/french-aircraft-specifications-1919-1939.22273/page-4

 

[Stargazer]

Both the shape of the tail and the engine configuration have very strong Caudron vibes to me.

 

[hesham]

Both the shape of the tail and the engine configuration have very strong Caudron vibes to me.

I think not,Caudron submitted CR.670 to this contest for that period.

 

[PhR]

What seems remarkable to me is the tricycle landing gear. Maybe an after-war project when Bodiansky was working for ONERA?

 

[Stargazer]

If so,we can assume that,it was from the competitors of 1934 C.2/C.3/CN.2,

What seems remarkable to me is the tricycle landing gear. Maybe an after-war project when Bodiansky was working for ONERA?

I was also under the impression that it is a later design than 1934.

I think not,Caudron submitted CR.670 to this contest for that period.

I never said it was a Caudron design, just that it was strongly reminiscent of one (at least in my opinion).

 

[VictorXL188]

I posted that image on the Ongoing Mystery Aircraft thread on the SOH forum website. I sourced the photograph from Les Ailes and not this website. It would have been polite if VictorXL188 had credited me. And you, Hesham, ought to be a little more circumspect and less ready to make a vast generalisation when, at least on this occasion, there is no substance to it.

My apologies for not crediting the picture to yourself, I had not seen any reference to the poster at the time

 

[hesham]

Hi,

I know that; Bodiansky designed a seaplane called T-2,not related to Type-30 ?.

May this T-2 was called Type-10 ?.

 

[avion ancien]

Thank you, VictorXL188.

 

[hesham]

Also about this fighter,we can assume it was Type-40 ?.

From Gallica,Type-20

 

[PhR]

Also about this fighter,we can assume it was Type-40 ?.

There is no reason for this. Why not ONERA FZ5ddzc?

 

[PhR]

For information, I am the owner of the original print used for publishing by "Les Ailes".

 

[hesham]

From L'Air 1931/3

 

[Stargazer]

Another view of the Type 30 from Sept 1932.

Same item in better resolution and cleaned. The source was Paris-Soir, Sept. 11, 1932.