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Offline Herman

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« Reply #1740 on: September 24, 2018, 12:52:00 pm »
Reply to post 1738.
This is the SA version of the Spaninsh Kynos Aljaba. It is used in various versions in SA, i.e. the Kameelperd gunnery control vehicle, the Zebra maintenance and repair vehicle, a bridgelayer, a heavy recovery vehicle (Skimmel), etc. I find it difficult to reconsile this thing with the Skerpioen truck. They seem to fill the same the same niche? Why buy the Aljaba if you have developed the Skerpioen?



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« Reply #1741 on: September 26, 2018, 05:44:11 am »
This news has been out for a few days now - a IHS Janes article on the RG-41, that perhaps should have been the Ratel replacement instead of the winning Patria AMV, that has become the Badger.

I'm not sure why they are suddenly offering it now - some foreign interest I presume..?

https://www.janes.com/article/83335/denel-s-rg41-8-8-adds-firepower-with-new-modular-combat-turret

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« Reply #1742 on: September 26, 2018, 06:24:41 am »
Not perhaps..the RG41 should have been the Ratel replacement, carrying forth Denels initial investment in Project Hoefyster.
We all now know the political and other "aspects" to the Patria selection, and the shenanigans regarding the sudden changes in the selection processes and times.
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« Reply #1743 on: September 26, 2018, 08:21:47 am »
Some post 93 gov (and SANDF) individuals put personal gain ahead of the local defence industry many times.
RG-41 being ITAR free was probably designed from the get-go for the foreign  ( ME) market.

Looks like the old ATE remote turret is still alive in Romania. Who knew.

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« Reply #1744 on: September 27, 2018, 06:04:45 am »
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I recently read that production of the Badger has been stopped due to financial problems?

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« Reply #1745 on: September 27, 2018, 07:04:50 am »
Denel has cash flow problems despite having a healthy order book. So they cannot pay their subcontractors for the Hoefyster rollout.
Familiar  signs of financial mismanagement prevalent in in SA's SOE's

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« Reply #1746 on: October 01, 2018, 11:48:57 am »
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Let's face it: SA does not need the Badger but but neither does it need the RG41. It would have been fine with upgraded Ratels. Even unmodified but well-maintained Ratels would have been OK. If they really wanted to spend some money, the Ilkwa (sp.?) modification would have been good. With SA's economic and cash-flow problems, the Badger money could have been spent much more effectively elsewhere, if, of course, it wasn't simply stolen.

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« Reply #1747 on: October 07, 2018, 01:19:50 am »


Knocked out Oliphant.

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« Reply #1748 on: October 09, 2018, 05:17:17 am »
Photo from Angola?

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« Reply #1749 on: October 09, 2018, 09:10:39 am »
Seems to be a hull strike from a HEAT weapon followed by catastrophic munition involvement.

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« Reply #1750 on: October 09, 2018, 09:36:51 am »
"The most photographed tank in Africa".

Without rehashing the particular history from 1988, 3 tanks were disabled(tracks/mobility kills) in a minefield and abandoned to be recovered later. It turned out the objective could not be taken without serious losses(3rd attack on Tumpo) and these tanks fell into Cuban/Fapla hands before they could be destroyed.

Only 1 vehicle was effectively recovered by the Cubans and the other 2 stripped/destroyed in place in the minefield.The recovered vehicle was stripped of its turret(presumably by the Soviet advisors to evaluate and whereabouts unknown to today, the hull forms part of a display at museum at Quito.
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« Reply #1751 on: October 12, 2018, 02:00:21 am »

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Strange Rhino indeed. I wonder what the story behind that is?
Those look like Ystervark 20mm AA guns behind there, so we can probably use that, and the Casspir, to fix a rough date.

This photo was taken in 1996
And here's another picture. This Rhino FCP is currently used together with the Bosvark AA system.

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« Reply #1752 on: November 28, 2018, 05:35:26 am »
dont know how to post pics but this shows a destroyed Ratel in Yemen

http://iblagh.com/en/50-saudi-led-coalition-mercenaries-killed-in-yemen-marib-province/

(photo attached)
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