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Offline hesham

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Re: Italian all-wing aircraft
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2008, 01:52:31 pm »
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http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1935/1935%20-%200956.html

the Hoffman momoplane, illustrated in the link above, looks very like the 'Arup' series of aircraft, see here:-



also see here for a 'flying flounder', to go with the 'flying plaice', and some custer channel wing stuff, and, some Horton wingless plane footage,



there's also a very good article in one of my 'Aeroplane Monthly's, about the arups, will find it out, as and when.

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Re: Italian all-wing aircraft
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2008, 02:21:03 am »
The plane posted by Hesham is one of the numerous projects by Piana-Canova, who developed the rhomboidal wing. It flew only in sailplane form, but it flew very well. Projects span from light sportplanes to huge boatplanes and bombers. During the mid-30s Piana-Canova had some exchanges with Alessandro Marchetti that went as far as a brief proposal for a rhomboidal-wing version of the S-84.

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Re: Italian all-wing aircraft
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2008, 04:12:27 pm »

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Re: Italian all-wing aircraft
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2008, 01:49:38 am »
Welcome back, Justo...  :)

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Re: Italian all-wing aircraft
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2008, 07:34:33 am »
Thanks Skybolt!

I have posted a small drawing of the Alfa 1101.
I would be grateful for any additional information on this engine, which is of great interest to me.


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Re: Italian all-wing aircraft
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2009, 11:19:57 am »
was reminded about this by the 'flying flapjacks' thread,

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,6203.msg51102.html#msg51102

 here, as promised, are the arups, from 'Aeroplane Monthly' july 1979, pp.340-45, article entitled,
'Those Amazing Arups'

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Re: Italian all-wing aircraft
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2009, 09:20:20 am »
Has anyone ever found drawings of the Arup aircraft? I've looked, but I don't recall finding good drawings of either the S-2 or S-4.

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Re: Italian all-wing aircraft
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2009, 10:52:04 am »
Has anyone ever found drawings of the Arup aircraft? I've looked, but I don't recall finding good drawings of either the S-2 or S-4.

I find this one in an old EAA publication,

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Re: Italian all-wing aircraft
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2009, 02:58:28 pm »
in an earlier post here:-

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5110.msg40631.html#msg40631

i wrote,

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http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1935/1935%20-%200956.html

the Hoffman monoplane, illustrated in the link above, looks very like the 'Arup' series of aircraft,

now, re-reading the 'Aeroplane Monthly' article, i find the attached paragraph. Further, the image 'Arup006.jpg' is attributed to one 'R.J.Hoffman'.
So, i think it's highly likely that the Hoffman who designed the Hoffman monoplane, is the same Hoffman who helped to design the Arups.

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Re: Italian all-wing aircraft
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2009, 03:53:36 pm »
S-2
Span 5,79 m.
lenght 5,23 m

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Re: Italian all-wing aircraft
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2009, 08:58:54 pm »
So, i think it's highly likely that the Hoffman who designed the Hoffman monoplane, is the same Hoffman who helped to design the Arups.    

Indeed, Raoul Hoffman designed the Arup S1 and S2 before moving to Florida where he designed his "All Wing"
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Ralph Grainchen was the designer of the Arup S3 and S4.

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Re: Italian all-wing aircraft
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2009, 03:48:01 am »
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Indeed, Raoul Hoffman designed the Arup S1 and S2 before moving to Florida where he designed his "All Wing"
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Ralph Grainchen was the designer of the Arup S3 and S4.

Excellent! that fills in some more of the story.

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Re: Italian all-wing aircraft
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2011, 10:08:09 pm »
Along or after his PC-100 (experimental glider), PC-140 (touring aircraft) and PC-500 (competition glider), it seems that Piani-Canova has designed an experimental aircraft that can be used as a trainer aircraft, the PC-85; and, after WWII, a jet aircraft, both equipped with rombhoïdal wing.
Is there documention available on those two last projects?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Italian all-wing aircraft
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2011, 04:18:10 pm »
The Canova monoplane , PC-140 I'm guessing, would make an easy to build full scale ultalight.
The drawings posted on this forum shows ailerons and center trailing edge elevator.   I found
pictures of this model online that showed Junkers type aileron and elevators below the trailing edge
in their own airstream.  Please comment if you know the specifics of the Canova monoplane's control surface arrangement.

            http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1242669 

                         shows the control surfaces as mentioned.
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