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Offline Michel Van

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Re: Other Apollo Projects: What Should Have Been
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2008, 01:13:07 pm »
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Enough talk!

Yeear bring them on !

Design 1 General Electric Capsul
Design 2 ??
Design 3 Martin W-1
Desing 4 Convair M-1

Apollo 1 pic NASA Study ?
GE Apollo 04 that new to me General Electric goes Lifting body ???
Image23      Project Horizon lander and return capsul
Martin Design W-1
Refuel1        EOR study for Direct landing

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Re: Other Apollo Projects: What Should Have Been
« Reply #17 on: February 29, 2008, 02:20:10 am »
I was asking myself what Scott was doing..  :D
But, for "highly detailed" I mean more something like this....
General Dynamics/Convair Astro baseline proposal.
I'll start a new topic of that, please post to the new thread. If moderators would want to disentangle things, appreciated  ;)

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Re: Other Apollo Projects: What Should Have Been
« Reply #18 on: February 29, 2008, 07:50:54 am »
Continuing with the GD proposal, the least known, in my opinion.
These are growth version of the baseline design. First is an alternate configurations of the control flaps of the reentry vehicle, more aerodynamic in ascent phase; second is reentry vehicle with paraglider option; third is Apollo-to-Apollo rendezvous method, with (fourth) detail of the extensible airlock. Next post on lunar lander concepts (four, one preferred).

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Re: Other Apollo Projects: What Should Have Been
« Reply #19 on: February 29, 2008, 08:20:28 am »
These are the GD lunar lander version of Apollo (which, remember, originally was an Earth-orbit or circumlunar vehicle).
First is the preferred configuration using the baseline main vehicle; second is lander on the Moon with egress method for astronauts; third is lander taking-off; forurt are the four alternate configurations studied, the one chosen is I.

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Re: Other Apollo Projects: What Should Have Been
« Reply #20 on: February 29, 2008, 08:39:08 am »
SUPERCOOL Scott!!!!!!

And thank Skybolt too.

I've really appreciated your contribution....  :D

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Re: Other Apollo Projects: What Should Have Been
« Reply #21 on: February 29, 2008, 09:23:49 am »
Wait, we are only starting up....
GD Apollo advanced configurations, first batch, with six-place M-2 reentry vehicle.

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Re: Other Apollo Projects: What Should Have Been
« Reply #22 on: February 29, 2008, 09:46:06 am »
Last of the GD advanced configuration. A six-place M-3 reentry vehicle with foldable wings.
« Last Edit: February 29, 2008, 09:51:01 am by Skybolt »

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Re: Other Apollo Projects: What Should Have Been
« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2008, 12:34:51 am »
i love this forum dynamic 
befor you know thead is rebulid  ;D

back to Apollo
wat is with Boeing, Repulic, Lookheed, Goodyear, Vought Corporation, Grumman, Douglas proposal ?

McDonnell Aircraft Corporation had two proposals
one
direct landing with Gemini
two
direct landing with 2 (men apollo like) capsul

source
Report no. 9182 from 31 october 1962
Direct Flight  Apollo Study
Volume  I: Two Man Apollo Spacecraft
Volume II: Gemini Spacecraft Applications

Briefing October 3, 1962



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Re: Other Apollo Projects: What Should Have Been
« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2008, 01:26:56 pm »
Yep, but TRW had another proposal to use a modified NAA Apollo to land on the Moon using a direct ascent method with a Saturn C-5. And NAA too studied a two-man direct-ascent reduced-weight proposal. Let me dig them up (I have the McDonnel studies too).

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Re: Other Apollo Projects: What Should Have Been
« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2008, 12:59:13 am »
I always remember a little joke that was going around at this time.
Along the lines of-

A proud astronaut standing in front of Apollo -

Its a great honour and I'm supremely confident...
knowing that this has been built by the company that put in the cheapest bid....


Of course the truth is - it did work.


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Re: Other Apollo Projects: What Should Have Been
« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2008, 03:53:24 am »
here Langley LEM from year 1963

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Re: Other Apollo Projects: What Should Have Been
« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2008, 07:43:01 am »
found this links to Apollo PDF

General Electric Apollo

GE PROJECT APOLLO FINAL REPORT VOLUME II. SYSTEM CONSIDERATIONS
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19730065795_1973065795.pdf

GE PROJECT APOLLO FINAL REPORT VOLUME VI.
AERODYNAMICS, CONFIGURATIONS, HEATING, STRUCTURES, AND MATERIALS
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19730064728_1973064728.pdf

PROJECT APOLLO FINAL REPORT VOLUME IX. APOLLOPROGRAM IMPLEMENTATIONPLAN
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19740073801_1974073801.pdf

GE PROJECT APOLLO DATA BOOK VOLUME II
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19740073595_1974073595.pdf

GE PROJECT APOLLO DATA BOOK VOLUME II
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19740073599_1974073599.pdf
GE PROJECT APOLLO DATA BOOK VOLUME III
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19740072452_1974072452.pdf

General Dynamic
GD PROJECT APOLLO FINAL REPORT Volume IV GROWTH AND ADVANC ED CONC EPTS
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19790076966_1979076966.pdf
GD PROJECT APOLLO FINAL REPORT VOLUME V. IMPLEMENTATION PLAN
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19740073799_1974073799.pdf

Martin
PROJECT APOLLO FINAL REPORT Configuration
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19750064557_1975064557.pdf
PROJECT APOLLO FINAL REPORT Guidunce and Control II
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19740073598_1974073598.pdf
PROJECT APOLLO FINAL REPORT Structures Materials II
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19740072482_1974072482.pdf

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Re: Other Apollo Projects: What Should Have Been
« Reply #28 on: March 27, 2008, 01:56:10 pm »
Lunar Logistics vehicle and a Boeing Lunar Rover.



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Re: Other Apollo Projects: What Should Have Been
« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2008, 12:12:45 am »
Martin I believe...

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