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Offline moin1900

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Messerschmitt Me 328 variants and projects
« on: February 04, 2008, 10:07:22 am »
Hi everybody

Is there anybody who knows more about this project
Me328 Supersonic

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What was it? A Fighter, Bomber or Kamikaze? 
Are there any other Secret Me-328 Projects ? 

Many greetings
« Last Edit: January 11, 2013, 04:23:00 am by Stargazer2006 »

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Re: Messerschmitt Me 328 variants and projects
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2008, 11:01:13 am »
Hi Moin1900,
  Sorry but I strongly suspect that any supersonic Me 328 is a non-starter and that the image you posted is of a purely hypothetical "What if?" model.  For a start, the design depicted seems to retain the two Argus pulse-jets of the (solidly subsonic) standard Me 328.  Anyway, the largely wooden construction of the Me 328 seems a funny place to start from if designing a supersonic aircraft.  So, while I could be wrong about this, I reckon that it's not a figher, a bomber or a kamikaze, but a made-up story.
  Cheers,

'Wingknut'.

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Re: Messerschmitt Me 328 variants and projects
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2008, 11:17:52 am »
Hi everyone

I have found another Picture of it
Please look here
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Many greetings
« Last Edit: September 24, 2009, 08:09:15 am by moin1900 »

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Re: Messerschmitt Me 328 variants and projects
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2008, 11:36:44 am »
Is a Luft46 paper plane drawing 7-July-1942
Submarine launched suicide antiship german bomber
Published in Wingmasters No 2 by Paul Malmassari
and Flugzeug 3/2001 by Manfred Grielh

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Re: Messerschmitt Me 328 variants and projects
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2008, 11:46:55 am »
It is not a supersonic Me328 I understand it right?

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Re: Messerschmitt Me 328 variants and projects
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2008, 11:54:13 am »
It is not a supersonic Me328 I understand it right?

You're not going to get a supersonic *anything* powered by cheap pulsejets.
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Re: Messerschmitt Me 328 variants and projects
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2008, 11:58:53 am »
It is not a supersonic Me328 I understand it right?

Of course not!
Performances are similar to the standard Me 328 B.
Its peculiar shape comes from the need to transport in a small Regulus style container.

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Re: Messerschmitt Me 328 variants and projects
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2008, 12:11:35 pm »
Hi everyone

I understand it is not supersonic !
But what about the armament!

Many greetings
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Re: Messerschmitt Me 328 variants and projects
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2008, 12:21:39 pm »
Please see attached some wartime drawings of the more conventional railway launched version
An a hig speculative (SOURCE GRADING 1) sketch by myself of the submarine version

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Re: Messerschmitt Me 328 variants and projects
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2008, 12:47:41 pm »
Hi everyone

I understand it is not supersonic !!

But what about the armament!

Many greetings
moin1900

Armament probably was one Nitropenta hollow-charge warhead ,similar to the one shown in the  attached drawing

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Re: Messerschmitt Me 328 variants and projects
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2008, 11:46:50 pm »
i look i books to find some Info :

Me 328 start as Me P.1079 in July 1941 by Dipl.-Ing. Felix Kracht
Idea was a Fighter or Bomber in Mistel configuration

Bomber
as Mistel configuration with 1000 kg Bomb (later 1400 kg) and no Engine
the carrier plan makes a Stuka attack and drop glide Bomber.

later the Me 328 design was add 2 x V-1 Argusrohren Engine.
because they cheaper as piston or Jet Engine

Bordjäger (Parasite Fighter)
one Me 328 A (with 2 or 4 Argusrohren) on top of He-177 A-5 or Me 264 Bomber (Mistel configuration)
major problem only fuel for 30 minute flight but the Me 328 can be Refuel by docking on His Bomber!
this  version has extendable wing as variable wing geomtry
2 x MG 151/200 with 200 bullets

Schnellkampf Flugzeug (fast Interceptor)
same as above but the Mistel carrier bring Me 328 A, 150 km range to Target.

even as Aircraft for Submarines !
German U-boat carry in container a Me 328A (like Regulus Sub)

the idea was drop, until beginn 1943 the SS take back up
as "Selbstopferung" SO-Flugzeug (German Kamikaze)
Me 328 B cheap disposable, one way Aircraft with 2400 kg Explosive
no extendable wing.


Source:
Geheimprojekte der DFS (german Language)
Horst Lommel
Motorbuch verlag ISBN 3-613-02072-6
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Re: Messerschmitt Me 328 variants and projects
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2008, 03:51:01 am »
That's very interesting - the sub-launched Me 328 with retractable wings is (as you've no doubt gathered) a new one on me.  Fine images and lots of useful data though.
Maybe I was a bit quick to reject the whole thing out of hand but I was put off by the attribution of supersonic speed to a twin-pulsejet glued-together wooden airframe.  (After all, the whole point about the Me 328 was that it was meant to be cheap and semi-disposable.)
I was also put off when I looked up the model-company responsible for the conversion kit and found that they offer a conversion for a "Heinkel He162Z Volkzwilling".  Maybe I shouldn't stick my neck out too far but surely a "Zwillng" He-162 is fictitious?  (The only references I can find seem to class it as a "What if?" modeller's project.)
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Re: Messerschmitt Me 328 variants and projects
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2008, 04:51:57 am »
I was also put off when I looked up the model-company responsible for the conversion kit and found that they offer a conversion for a "Heinkel He162Z Volkzwilling".  Maybe I shouldn't stick my neck out too far but surely a "Zwillng" He-162 is fictitious?  (The only references I can find seem to class it as a "What if?" modeller's project.)

that like the V-1 Zwilling pure Fiction !
Internet is full of that Stuff  >:(


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Re: Messerschmitt Me 328 variants and projects
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2008, 04:59:58 am »
Hi everybody

Thanks for much information and nice Pictures ! Now all is clear!  

Many greetings
« Last Edit: September 24, 2009, 08:09:43 am by moin1900 »

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