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Dassault Rafale Projects
« on: May 28, 2006, 02:44:48 am »
Two early ACT.92 configurations

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  • 'A New Fighter for Europe' Air International, Sept 1980
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Re: Dassault Rafale Projects
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2006, 04:46:53 pm »
Isn't it interesting that every European canard-delta fighter (Eurofighter, Rafale and Gripen) started with a cranked delta wing planform?  Even the Su-37 (1991) was a cranked delta.




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Re: Dassault Rafale Projects
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2006, 12:33:24 am »
According to Yefim Gordon the production MFI would have gone the other way- from pure to cranked delta.
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Re: Dassault Rafale Projects
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2006, 08:49:06 am »
Some pre-Rafale studies from AWST april 1980, Dassault archives and some I foud on internet.

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Re: Dassault Rafale Projects
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2006, 08:51:25 am »
More....

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Re: Dassault Rafale Projects
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2006, 10:03:37 am »
The first, grainy pic is mine; I tried copying from a library book using a digital camera. It didn't work too well.
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Re: Dassault Rafale Projects
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2006, 10:29:25 am »
You should use digital camera with CMOS chip. For example I have Nikon D50. CMOS has the lowest noise from ISO 200 to ISO 1600. However copying book with camera is a bit complicated idea  :)

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Re: Dassault Rafale Projects
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2006, 12:55:52 pm »
This picture is very because the plane really look like the Mirage 4000, but the air intakes had been moved to the Rafale position... This is really the link between the two (there's many features of the 4000 in the Rafale)
Conservatoire de l'Air et de l'Espace d'Aquitaine
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Re: Dassault Rafale Projects
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2006, 12:56:36 pm »
very interesting of course!
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Re: Dassault Rafale Projects
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2006, 12:37:52 pm »
If my eyes don't fool me, all shown designs/designstudies are showing
twin engined aircraft. IIRC several years ago in the AirInternational,
a single engined version with a M53 engine was mentioned, intended
for export customers, who were already using this engine and wanting
more commonality. I've never heard again of such a proposal.
Anybody else ?
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Re: Dassault Rafale Projects
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2006, 12:49:24 pm »
I have never heard it too. However it is not very good idea. When customer wants single-engined advanced (at that time) fighter, than he should buy Mirage 2000. Why to develop in some aspects similar plane?

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Re: Dassault Rafale Projects
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2006, 08:38:59 am »
Heureka !
Although I haven't found the statement about the single engined export version,
I've found in AirInternational June, '97, that there was "a short-lived project powered
by a single engine", during the earlier stages designated Rafale C, before this
designation was used otherwise.

I have the same article. 

I can also remember seeing a very small, low quality rendering of what appeared to be a single engine Rafale on a French website...about a decade ago.

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Re: Dassault Rafale Projects
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2007, 04:10:40 pm »
ACX model, Paris 1983
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Re: Dassault Rafale Projects
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2007, 12:22:28 pm »
1978-1979: ONERA's "Rapace" fighter study
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Re: Dassault Rafale Projects
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2007, 12:23:36 pm »
Early ACT 92 studies
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