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Swimmer Delivery Vehicle projects, old and new
« on: December 05, 2014, 11:52:41 am »
I'm planning to share information on a bunch of unknown SDV/midget submarine/DPV/Canoes etc via my blog (http://www.hisutton.com/) and thought i should also post here for the community. Rather than start fresh threads each time I'll just update this one. And I hope it can also be a general discussion of SDV (et al) projects.

SDVs are not necessarily 'secret projects' in the classic sense but they are very secret in other ways so information available on the internet and in books is very limited. I am on a quest to change that, at least in regards to the historic types. And i like to think that by sharing the info it might make more people interested in this under-represented military topic. It's worth a try!
  • Some of the SDVs are somewhat known and information will not be particularly new
  • Some of the SDVs are hardly known and the information will be substantially known
  • Some of them are as good as unknown and the information will be very new, even exclusive
  • Some are current (including unknown ones!!!) and some are historic
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Naval Spetsnaz in Hybrid Warfare

Illustrated analysis of near-term Russian maritime Special Forces underwater vehicles and capabilities - full article at http://www.hisutton.com/Naval%20Spetsnaz%20in%20Hybrid%20Warfare.html


(The frog and bat symbol is associated with Naval Spetsnaz)


With the annexation of the Crimea to the recent submarine scare in Sweden, Russian special forces have come under renewed focus. Irrespective of whether Naval Spetsnaz have been involved in any operations during the ‘Hybrid War’, their capabilities are among those best suited to this kind of operating environment. Hybrid warfare is an evolution of earlier indirect, proxy and covert wars. It is a way of expanding territory and pushing geopolitical agendas with every means possible up to the point of an overt military action. Inevitably the enemy will be attacked in multiple ways simultaneously creating a complex and often contradictory situation which plays out in he aggressor's favor. Many of these attacks will be obvious and hard to deny, but crucially they will all be denied. It can therefore include substantial troop movements as long as there is some degree of deniability so that it's one power's word against another. In practice it is to attack by a mixture of special forces, information campaigns and back door proxies. And by means of sending an army 'on holiday' to another country.


As people research information about Russian Naval Special Forces much of what is shared is out of date. This article seeks to sort through the chaff and present as up to date view as is practical. It is based on public information (albeit mostly obscure) with a certain amount of deduction thrown in to paint a picture of these forces underwater vehicles.

Rest of article at http://www.hisutton.com/Naval%20Spetsnaz%20in%20Hybrid%20Warfare.html



Russian PROTON family of modular diver propulsion device/SDV. Not particularly secret but very little info in English. Probably main DPV of Spetsnaz.

He's wearing an IDA71 Rebreather and carrying an ADS amphibious assault rifle


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Re: Swimmer Delivery Vehicle projects, old and new
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2014, 02:00:12 am »
Very interesting article - Thank you

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Re: Swimmer Delivery Vehicle projects, old and new
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2014, 04:41:14 pm »
Soviet midget submarine 'gap' of early 1950s.

A couple of years before the 'bomber gap' and the 'missile gap', western analysts were concerned that the Soviets out-gunned them in midget submarines. Unlike the other two 'gaps' this was not plastered all over the press, but like them it turned out to be wrong. I came across this in archive research, and I haven't seen it mentioned elsewhere so this might be exclusive.

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D.N.I would like to stress the importance of this function, particularly the need to exercise the defenses of N.A.T.O. ports. Not only did the Russians acquire some 50-70 ex-German, Italian and Japanese midget submarines after the war, but it seems likely that they have produced their own post-war version, which, from reports, seems to incorporate parts from the design of all above. There are also reports which indicate training in midget S/Ms in the Soviet Navy at the present time.

Some more, including a theory of why they thought this....
http://www.hisutton.com/Secret%20History%20-%20the%20Soviet%20submarine%20gap.html
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Re: Swimmer Delivery Vehicle projects, old and new
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2014, 08:35:11 pm »
What is the TOY1 submersible  private or military?

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Re: Swimmer Delivery Vehicle projects, old and new
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2014, 11:17:49 pm »
Ah, sharp guy  ;D

That was the 'super-difficult' one I threw in, I think that only a tiny subset of SEALs connected people who have even heard of that let alone recognize it.

It was a secret military project by OSS in the war. The guy who rediscovered it is a former SEAL officer.

I am only aware of one book which includes it at all (review here www.hisutton.com/Book%20Review%20-%20NSW%20US%20Navy%20SEALs.html) - great book, the closet thing to an official SEALs book there is, very substantial.

It's among the many forgotten Sneak craft I will cover in my book, so hopefully awareness will grow. :)
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Re: Swimmer Delivery Vehicle projects, old and new
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2014, 10:06:44 pm »
Thanks now i have to find the monney to buy your book.

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Re: Swimmer Delivery Vehicle projects, old and new
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2014, 11:29:39 am »
borderline secret project, more secretive kit. Not something advertised beyond the defense sector - IS-MIX mixed-gas semi-closed rebreather http://www.hisutton.com/IS-MIX%20advanced%20mixed-gas%20rebreather.html. Interesting technology.
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Re: Swimmer Delivery Vehicle projects, old and new
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2015, 04:00:49 pm »
Finally gotr around to putting some info on the MAREX Type-A series 'unknown' SDV projects on the blog http://www.hisutton.com/SDV%20History%20-%20Lesser%20known%20Anglo-French%20projects.html

MAREX A2



MAREX A5


MAREX / COMEX 'Total-sub 01
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Re: Swimmer Delivery Vehicle projects, old and new
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2015, 02:22:54 pm »
Very interesting, thanks a lot!

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Re: Swimmer Delivery Vehicle projects, old and new
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2015, 12:57:19 pm »
Just got around to posting another 'unknown' to the blog http://www.hisutton.com/SDV%20History%20-%20US%20Closed-Cycle%20Energy%20Source%20SDV%20project.html

Perry Offshore Inc. Closed-Cycle Energy Source (CCES) SDV design from 1980s. Early days of ASDS program.

My attempt at an illustration (only seen a side-profile cutaway,which is on the blog)
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Re: Swimmer Delivery Vehicle projects, old and new
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2015, 02:57:14 pm »
Sphyrene SDV
More info, pecs etc. http://www.hisutton.com/Sphyrene%20SDV.html




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Re: Swimmer Delivery Vehicle projects, old and new
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2015, 09:22:45 pm »
HS, Have they managed to sell any Sphyrene SDVs yet?

PS you mind if I fire this up on the SDV thread over on milphotos?

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Re: Swimmer Delivery Vehicle projects, old and new
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2015, 12:29:21 am »
I don't think that they have sold any yet, but definitely a serious competitor on the export market, especially where French SSKs are involved. They only revealed it in 2014 and it's taken some time and outside help for me to disentangle this type from the competitor SWUV design.
And they would likely have to be decinflicted with the rival SWUV design in the market as sales would often be via French government in one way or another.
And all these latest generation large SDVs are extremely expensive compared to older types so their market is restricted to big-budget customers. Bearing in mind that the SEALs and SBS both went through years of financial neglect that equation is more about investment in the capability than overal naval spend of a country.

Other than the very limited info on the Alsemar website and some unwitting photos from marketing videos I think my website is currently the only place to find info on this SDV project.  Hopefully that will change, but nice to be the first to reveal stuff however niche. :)


Re SDV thread, no problem at all. I'm perm banned from military photos (for no valid reason of course. Muppets). Please give a courtesy link to my blog as it is proving useful with people contacting me with info (as has happened with the Sphyrene!). The more people wander into my project to document SDV and related diving/special forces history the better!
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Re: Swimmer Delivery Vehicle projects, old and new
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2015, 04:51:34 am »
Started an index of SDVs, http://www.hisutton.com/pages/SDVs%20and%20Subs%20index.html

some recent American desgns from The Columbia Group which have pedigree from the SDV Mk.VIII Mod1. I have much better stuff about their (never before seen on the internet) current line-up but will take time to create articles



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