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Offline Antonio

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Re: Argentinian Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #30 on: October 05, 2006, 03:13:47 am »
¡Qué bueno Dronte!, Mil Gracias :o

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Re: Argentinian Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #31 on: October 05, 2006, 05:37:46 am »
Excellent ! Thanks.

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Re: Argentinian Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2007, 05:20:32 pm »
I did build one.  I started with a 1/100 B-58 and lots of milliput.

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Re: Argentinian Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #33 on: February 19, 2007, 03:55:14 am »
Good basis, the B-58 looks quite similar to a (much) scaled-down B-58.

what scale is your model ? 
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Re: Argentinian Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #34 on: February 19, 2007, 01:38:09 pm »


Thank you

Amazing configuration this IA 36 Condor.

Gracias

Raravia

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Re: Argentinian Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #35 on: February 27, 2007, 04:31:50 pm »
Good basis, the B-58 looks quite similar to a (much) scaled-down B-58.

what scale is your model ? 

1/72.  As soon as I get a bit more comfortable with this forum, I'll post the pictures of it.  I also have a 1/72 G10N.

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Re: Argentinian Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #36 on: September 26, 2007, 07:34:28 pm »
The Pulqui II was a "built" plane, even if only prototypes. Find attached some renders I did in three versions:

1st. Preliminary 3D model with proper livery
2nd. Preliminary 3D model with the colors used later by the Argentinean Sabres
3rd. and 4th. Final 3D model with the livery of the acrobatic (originally Sabre) squadron.

some of these renders were already published in the lwg3d forum.

Cheers.

p.d.: this is the proper thread/forum for the renders?

« Last Edit: September 26, 2007, 07:40:45 pm by reynald.d.chatillon »
Well, boys, we got three engines out, we got more holes in us than a horse trader's mule, the radio is gone and we're leaking fuel and if we was flying any lower why we'd need sleigh bells on this thing...

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Re: Argentinian Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #37 on: September 26, 2007, 08:04:21 pm »
I think that if this corresponds to thread subject and 'real' unbuilt/built secret project, CGI can posted here. For photos of unofficial models, drawings and CGI images we have Scale Modelling, Fan Art & Profiles section. Good work, BTW!
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Re: Argentinian Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #38 on: November 05, 2007, 02:01:57 pm »
The Czech aviation magazine Letectvi + Kosmonautika # 23/1990 reported on a Argentinian helicopter projected by the company Fabrica Argentina de Materials Aeroespaciales.

Who of you knows more on it?

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Re: Argentinian Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #39 on: July 24, 2008, 10:57:14 am »
Cesare Pallavicino, an Italian designer who during WW2 worked for the Caproni company designed (at least) two two-engined (RR Derwent) jets based on the Nancu long-range fighter.

Here are links to websites where you may see how the Pallavicino's aircraft would have looked:

http://www.jrlucariny.com/Site2008/pallaviI/pallaviI.html

http://www.jrlucariny.com/Site2008/pallav2I/pallav2I.html

Best regards,
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Re: Argentinian Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #40 on: July 24, 2008, 02:41:19 pm »
And now more info on the Pallavicino's projects. They never had any official designation, so they remain known as Project 1 and Project 2.

The Project 1, a radical modification of the IAe-30 Nancu (also designed by Pallavicino) was to be a "heavy fighter", in a class of the Gloster Meteor: one-seater, two Rolls-Royce Derwent V engines each producing 3.500 lb static thrust. The plane was to have been armed with four Hispano-Suiza 20mm automatic cannon.

Here are its specifications:

Wing span: 15,00m
Length: 13,98  m
Height: 4,383 m
Wing area: 35,3 m2
Empty weight: 4.225 kg
All-up weight: 7.950 kg
Wing loading: 225 kg/sq.m

Max. speed @ SL: 910 kph
Max. speed @ 9150 m: 970 kph
Climbing speed @ SL: 26 mps
Climb speed to 9150 m: 8'22"
Ceiling: 15.240m

3 tons of fuel
range 2.300 km

Project 2 was conceived as a light bomber. Two crew: the pilot and the navigator, who was to be seated in a glazed nose or behind the pilot (in such a case the nose would remain solid as in the attached drawing). Armament included four Hispano-Suiza cannon and two bombs of 900 or 1000 kg each in an internal bomb bay. It could also carry twenty 75mm air-to-ground rockets.

Specifications of the Project 2:

Wing span: 18,70 m
Length: 14,00m
Height: 4,65 m
Wing area: 46,65 sq.m
Wing loading: 280 kg/sq.m
Empty weight: 6.500 kg
All-up weight: 13.070 kg

Max. speed @ SL: 810 kph
Max. speed @ 9150 m: 870 kph
Climbing speed: 15,2 mps
Climb time to: 9150 m in 15'55"
Ceiling: 12.200 m

Range with 4 t of fuel and 2 t of bombs: 3.300 km

And finally below you may have a look at the Pallavicino's aircraft drawings (poor quality of the scans is an effect of my scanner's malfunction, for which I am sorry).

[source: Italian magazine "Aero Fan" n. 61, April- June 1997]

Best regards,
Piotr
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Re: Argentinian Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #41 on: August 17, 2008, 02:29:30 pm »
certainly an interesting article - pictorially, a i know little spanish.

but there do seem strong  influences from Me 263 / MIG I-270 and Gloster Aircraft!?

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Re: Argentinian Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #42 on: August 18, 2008, 10:48:12 am »
What a shame...a country with so much potential and now they barely have anything to show for it. Just some old Pucaras and the IA-63 which pales in comparison to the potentail that these other designs had. I wonder what Argentina would be building right now if back in the late 40's they were serious in building these aircraft and kept on building them through the decades. I would imagine they could be at least at the level of a Gripen.

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Re: Argentinian Unbuilt Projects
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Re: Argentinian Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #44 on: June 05, 2009, 01:23:03 pm »
I remember coming across a mention somewhere (unfortunately I don't recall the source) that there was allegedly a Pucara design study with jet engines. Does anybody have more information?

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