The End of History

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And so the endless circle of life comes to an end, meaningless and grim. Why did they live, and why did they die? No reason. Two hundred million years of evolution snuffed out, for in the end Nature is horrific and teaches us nothing.

No reason to get excited
The thief, he kindly spoke
There are many here among us
Who feel that life is but a joke
But, uh, but you and I, we've been through that
And this is not our fate
So let us stop talkin' falsely now
The hour's getting late, hey
All along the watch tower
 
jsport said:
And so the endless circle of life comes to an end, meaningless and grim. Why did they live, and why did they die? No reason. Two hundred million years of evolution snuffed out, for in the end Nature is horrific and teaches us nothing.

No reason to get excited
The thief, he kindly spoke
There are many here among us
Who feel that life is but a joke
But, uh, but you and I, we've been through that
And this is not our fate
So let us stop talkin' falsely now
The hour's getting late, hey
All along the watch tower
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Back in 1991 after the successful conclusion of the Gulf War it seemed for a brief moment that the West's political and economic system was going to be the blueprint for a peaceful and prosperous world.
Twenty years later that hope seems naive at best.
NATO has survived but along with the UN and the EU it is battered and bruised.
For the first time since the 1930s the initiative has shifted from the Western Democracies.
China now competes globally with the US in a way unimaginable in 1991.
From Russia to Turkey, Brazil to India strong male leaders support hard line nationalist even religious based policies.
By contrast Western countries are nervous and unsure of themselves. Peaceful New Zealand thanks to Covid is now a hermit Kingdom until 2022.
The climate catastrophe ought in the twenty years since 1991 have given new impetus to international co-operation. Instead countries vie to protect their economies while urging others to make sacrifices.
In some ways this has proved to be the End of History. Not in the optimistic glow of 1991 but in an all too familiar reversion to a world we tried to leave in 1945.
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I wrote this way back in 2021 when Covid was still the dominant news story.
GTX asks the relevance to this site?
1991 was the year when many of the projects we now revisit seemed to lose their relevance.
My last sentence seems even more appropriate on this Rememberance Sunday with conflicts raging from Africa to Yemen.
 
Free college for all, the human race de-evolving back into the ancient primordial goo with help of loads more social media developers and under the influencers.
 
The end of history in human terms will obviously occur when the last human passes and the human race as a whole goes extinct. Clearly this will become a fact at some point in time, but I completely miss the point what all the idle speculation as to exactly when this might happen is about?
 
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I completely miss the point what all the idle speculation as to exactly when this might happen is about?
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I agree, from an individual point of view, clearly a waste of time. Extinction depends more on external events than organisms
As a species, I think we lack key abilities in cooperation and planning to survive a major extinction event. And even, in the meantime, we also don't have control over the direction of our evolution about whole specie or populations
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First, all the "whites" will die/be killed. Not long left, they are only 7% of the world's population
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That's probable considering the numbers, but also a less dramatic process of mixture between different populations should also be considered. In any case, genomic lines raise or fall are also dependent on a multitude of ambient variables that can't be controlled despite human attempts, as history shows.

My personal attitude is not truly getting obsessed about it.
 
What's the point of this thread? What's the core topic supposed to be?

Is it supposed to be aligned with the Francis Fukuyama's concept of The End of History, that is, "the end-point of mankind's ideological evolution and the universalization of Western liberal democracy as the final form of human government."? If so, many if the posts in the thread seem off topic/bemoaning things.
 
The difference between the ethical norms invented by ideologues and the laws of nature is that the survival of the Sapiens is a reality (ask a Neanderthal, if you can find one) and that the future of the species will be decided by technology and not sociology, regardless of our opinions.
 
In my opinion, the end of history will come with Singularity. With the possibility of transferring the contents of our minds to some kind of electronic system, practically a form of AI immortality, our perception of history will be degraded to the level of mammalian radiation after the KT extinction episode. All those names of kings, battles and revolutions will completely lose the meaning we give them now to become anecdotes of the time when we were mortal.

Genesis 3:5​

 
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Even if you succeed to replicate a human mind in electronics, all you create is a copy, not a continuation, not immortality.
It would be interesting to speculate if a computer simulation of a human mind could capture all the mind's properties.
To what extent will a computer simulation of a fire capture all the properties of a real fire? My guess - it will not.
 
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Arjen said:
Even if you succeed to replicate a human mind in electonics, all you create is a copy, not a continuation, not immortality.
It would be interesting to speculate if a computer simulation of a human mind could capture all the mind's properties.
To what extent will a computer simulation of a fire capture all the properties of a real fire? My guess - it will not.
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In my opinion the interesting part is not what an EXACT copy of our poor minds can do, with the inherited burden of so many years of evolutionary misfortunes, fears, tribal hatreds and hormonal problems, the interesting thing is what an AUTONOMOUS copy can do after freeing itself from all our prejudices.
 

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Allow me be more precise - not an exact copy, just the properties necessary to create consciousness.

Usually, the word just is introduced to reduce a problem to something manageable.
Not in this case. Not at our level of technology. Not at our level of understanding consciousness.
 
Arjen said:
Allow me be more precise - not an exact copy, just the properties necessary to create consciousness.

Usually, the word just is introduced to reduce a problem to something manageable.
Not in this case. Not at our level of technology. Not at our level of understanding consciousness.
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I agree with that, but I hope to live long enough to see what happens with AI.
 
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