TAI TF-X / Milli Muharip Uçak MMU Kaan

[djfawcett]

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On this image, TF-X appears pretty much the same size as the F-15...
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The F-15 is 19.43 meters long, and the TF-X is supposedly 21 meters long. So the image above is apparently out of scale. The two airframes are significantly different in length, but the image show them as being almost identical.

 

[Bounce]

It's easy to scale correctly, we have the dimensions of the horizontal stabs.

There are two Horizontal Stabilizers on the aircraft. A single one of these control surfaces is as large as the wing of an F-16. It is 2.9 meters wide, 4.1 meters long, 0.4 meters high, and weighs 235 kilograms.

There are two Horizontal Stabilizers on the aircraft. A single one of these control surfaces is as large as the wing of an F-16. It is 2.9 meters wide, 4.1 meters long, 0.4 meters high, and weighs 235 kilograms.

 

[helmutkohl]

how about weight wise? I am guessing a safe estimate would be between 17,000kg to 22,000kg, in line with the other large 5th gen planes (J-20, F-22, Su-57).

 

[Canardzz]

how about weight wise? I am guessing a safe estimate would be between 17,000kg to 22,000kg, in line with the other large 5th gen planes (J-20, F-22, Su-57).

The aircraft could be lighter than the F-22. Don't quote me on that.

 

[helmutkohl]

how about weight wise? I am guessing a safe estimate would be between 17,000kg to 22,000kg, in line with the other large 5th gen planes (J-20, F-22, Su-57).

The aircraft could be lighter than the F-22. Don't quote me on that.

that's why I put 17,000. the F-22 is around 19,000, and J-20 is claimed to be 17,000.
22 is probably on the higher end. but I definitely don't think its 40 tons as claimed earlier. This is the TFX, not the Tu-22.

 

[Radonislav]

If he is right, then the "Turk" weighs at least forty tons

Definitely not, and empty airframe weight should actually be lower than the F-22s.

 

[Trident]

I think paralay was referring to MTOW, and (assuming that the size comparison is accurate, as he said) that'd be a fair assessment. F-22 MTOW is 38t already, and (again, IF the comparison was correct) MMU would be considerably larger. In that case it would also not be plausible for OEW to be lower.

 

[paralay]

Length 20 m
Wingspan 13 m
Height 5 m
Wing area 70 m2
Profile 34 m2
Plan 112 m2
Fas 9.2 m2
Volume 65.4 m3
Maximum weight 33000 kg

 

[djfawcett]

Length 20 m
Wingspan 13 m
Height 5 m
Wing area 70 m2
Profile 34 m2
Plan 112 m2
Fas 9.2 m2
Volume 65.4 m3
Maximum weight 33000 kg

Paralay, where did you get these numbers? They are different by as much as one meter than all previously released or published specs.

 

[paralay]

I adjusted the existing scheme to the wing area of 70 m2

 

[Canardzz]

TF-X

 

[Canardzz]

TF-X's cockpit

 

[snne]

TF-X's cockpit

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1643221772202803200

View: https://twitter.com/SavunmaSanayiST/status/1643221772202803200?s=20

 

[Canardzz]

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[snne]

this video has a better footage

View: https://youtu.be/aZAvKTCCrss

 

[Canardzz]

@snne I kinda like the raw sound on the other video

 

[snne]

 

[helmutkohl]

The YouTube video posted by SNNE might be the closest we can get to seeing the bays
but I could not find any outlines on the outer edges.
so I guess its true that its likely two tandem bays in the middle.

 

[snne]

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[Umigami]

TF-X's cockpit
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That empty part behind the cockpit looks ugly.

 

[Deino]

The side weapon bays

 

[snne]

The side weapon bays

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Is it just me or does it seem like the bays have enough length to possibly be able to carry an AMRAAM-sized missile? Although we don't know how deep the bay is, this seems theoretically possible.

 

[snne]

Test shots of the national ramjet propelled air-to-air missile GÖKHAN begin

The first launch of GÖKHAN, the national ramjet-propelled air-to-air missile developed by Tübitak SAGE, will be carried out soon.

Türkiye is entering a new phase in air-to-air missiles. Developing Turkey's first national air-to-air missiles BOZDOĞAN and GÖKDOĞAN under the GÖKTUĞ project, TÜBİTAK SAGE is entering the test phase of the ramjet-propelled GÖKHAN air-to-air missile, which it continues to develop.

TÜBİTAK SAGE Manager Gürcan Okumuş made special statements to M5. Okumuş stated that the GÖKHAN missile is slightly ahead of schedule and that the first test firing from land will be carried out soon. In his statement, Okumuş said, “Work on the GÖKHAN project is at a very good point. Soon we will start with the first land shots and then move on to the platform shots. I can say that the GÖKHAN missile is ahead of its schedule, even slightly ahead of its schedule,” he said. GÖKHAN, which is planned to be used on various platforms, especially the F-16 and MMU, will provide the Turkish Air Force with a strategic capability. With the GÖKHAN, which can reach very high speeds, it will be possible to engage enemy aircraft from long ranges.

https://m5dergi.com/savunma-haberle...-hava-fuzesi-gokhanin-test-atislari-basliyor/

Used Google for quick translation.

 

[Canardzz]

Aselsan Toygun Electro Optical Targeting System

Via @Radonislav

 

[Deino]

Test shots of the national ramjet propelled air-to-air missile GÖKHAN begin

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The first launch of GÖKHAN, the national ramjet-propelled air-to-air missile developed by Tübitak SAGE, will be carried out soon.

Türkiye is entering a new phase in air-to-air missiles. Developing Turkey's first national air-to-air missiles BOZDOĞAN and GÖKDOĞAN under the GÖKTUĞ project, TÜBİTAK SAGE is entering the test phase of the ramjet-propelled GÖKHAN air-to-air missile, which it continues to develop.

TÜBİTAK SAGE Manager Gürcan Okumuş made special statements to M5. Okumuş stated that the GÖKHAN missile is slightly ahead of schedule and that the first test firing from land will be carried out soon. In his statement, Okumuş said, “Work on the GÖKHAN project is at a very good point. Soon we will start with the first land shots and then move on to the platform shots. I can say that the GÖKHAN missile is ahead of its schedule, even slightly ahead of its schedule,” he said. GÖKHAN, which is planned to be used on various platforms, especially the F-16 and MMU, will provide the Turkish Air Force with a strategic capability. With the GÖKHAN, which can reach very high speeds, it will be possible to engage enemy aircraft from long ranges.

https://m5dergi.com/savunma-haberle...-hava-fuzesi-gokhanin-test-atislari-basliyor/

Used Google for quick translation.

RAMJET?? Do I miss something on these images?

 

[Canardzz]

Test shots of the national ramjet propelled air-to-air missile GÖKHAN begin

View attachment 697210

The first launch of GÖKHAN, the national ramjet-propelled air-to-air missile developed by Tübitak SAGE, will be carried out soon.

Türkiye is entering a new phase in air-to-air missiles. Developing Turkey's first national air-to-air missiles BOZDOĞAN and GÖKDOĞAN under the GÖKTUĞ project, TÜBİTAK SAGE is entering the test phase of the ramjet-propelled GÖKHAN air-to-air missile, which it continues to develop.

TÜBİTAK SAGE Manager Gürcan Okumuş made special statements to M5. Okumuş stated that the GÖKHAN missile is slightly ahead of schedule and that the first test firing from land will be carried out soon. In his statement, Okumuş said, “Work on the GÖKHAN project is at a very good point. Soon we will start with the first land shots and then move on to the platform shots. I can say that the GÖKHAN missile is ahead of its schedule, even slightly ahead of its schedule,” he said. GÖKHAN, which is planned to be used on various platforms, especially the F-16 and MMU, will provide the Turkish Air Force with a strategic capability. With the GÖKHAN, which can reach very high speeds, it will be possible to engage enemy aircraft from long ranges.

https://m5dergi.com/savunma-haberle...-hava-fuzesi-gokhanin-test-atislari-basliyor/

Used Google for quick translation.

RAMJET?? Do I miss something on these images?

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[Radonislav]

Test shots of the national ramjet propelled air-to-air missile GÖKHAN begin

View attachment 697210

The first launch of GÖKHAN, the national ramjet-propelled air-to-air missile developed by Tübitak SAGE, will be carried out soon.

Türkiye is entering a new phase in air-to-air missiles. Developing Turkey's first national air-to-air missiles BOZDOĞAN and GÖKDOĞAN under the GÖKTUĞ project, TÜBİTAK SAGE is entering the test phase of the ramjet-propelled GÖKHAN air-to-air missile, which it continues to develop.

TÜBİTAK SAGE Manager Gürcan Okumuş made special statements to M5. Okumuş stated that the GÖKHAN missile is slightly ahead of schedule and that the first test firing from land will be carried out soon. In his statement, Okumuş said, “Work on the GÖKHAN project is at a very good point. Soon we will start with the first land shots and then move on to the platform shots. I can say that the GÖKHAN missile is ahead of its schedule, even slightly ahead of its schedule,” he said. GÖKHAN, which is planned to be used on various platforms, especially the F-16 and MMU, will provide the Turkish Air Force with a strategic capability. With the GÖKHAN, which can reach very high speeds, it will be possible to engage enemy aircraft from long ranges.

https://m5dergi.com/savunma-haberle...-hava-fuzesi-gokhanin-test-atislari-basliyor/

Used Google for quick translation.

RAMJET?? Do I miss something on these images?

Yeah Ramjet.

On those images there are Bozdoğan and Gökdoğan. There is not a single photo of Gökhan and Akbaba available to public

 

[Nart]

Ironically, someone actually photographed AKBABA on a 401st F-16 during take-off and unknowingly shared the pictures on a Facebook spotter group (he doesn't know anything about missiles or weapon stuff) More than a thousand people saw it, yet not a single soul leaked the images (me as well). People warned him, then he immediately deleted the pictures.

 

[Canardzz]

So another name reveal. ASELSAN's HMDS will be referred to as Tulgar.

 

[Canardzz]

She is big



Initially captured by @1savasansahin on Twitter

 

[Canardzz]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1644440541214437404

 

[helmutkohl]

She is big

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Initially captured by @1savasansahin on Twitter

indeed she's big..
while the TFX has some clean lines, it has a big and brutish vibe.. kinda like the MiG-31.

 

[snne]

Footage from the MMU Simulator

https://twitter.com/x/status/1644785584181858306

View: https://twitter.com/millisavunma1/status/1644785584181858306?t=gxKvYvDMoSN6lQ0Q32TpZA&s=19

 

[Combat-Master]

Footage from the MMU Simulator

https://twitter.com/x/status/1644785584181858306

View: https://twitter.com/millisavunma1/status/1644785584181858306?t=gxKvYvDMoSN6lQ0Q32TpZA&s=19

To be clear, this sim was developed for technofest. Technofest is as name suggests a technology festival for children - hence the vr sim was developed for children and not an accurate representation of TFX.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Hg_dyfkGic

 

[Canardzz]

New pics

 

[TomcatViP]

That rear end looks that of a Tomcat

 

[donnage99]

Sometimes I look at TFX, KF21, J-20, Japan x2, India AMCA and wonder had the yf-23 won the ATF competition, how different these aircraft would have approached stealth design.

I'm not talking about configuration. J-20 for example is a delta canard design. I'm speaking of approach toward aircraft shaping that the yf-22 clearly has set precedent - large semi faceted surfaces making up a central box shaped body that house engines, weapon bays and inlets vs that of the yf-23 which is basically a continous horizontal lifting surface that wraps over engines, bays, inlets, creating spaced out smooth bumps with no sharp edges.

I'm sure though had yf-23 won, alot of these aircraft that chose a conventional 4 tail layouts would have been called into question about its stealth attributes by internet experts who only see things in simplified absolutes.

 

[helmutkohl]

^
well, outside of the US, most countries designs tend to be more derivative (follow the leader). So would not be surprised they would look more like the YF-23. Keep in mind Japan had 2 YF-23 style designs on the drawing board. In contrast, Su-57 might have looked more like the F-22 instead.

anyways nice new pics.
you can finally see the bottom bays
its location indicates that they are side by side bays.
not two tandem bays as claimed earlier

 

[Canardzz]

^
well, outside of the US, most countries designs tend to be more derivative (follow the leader). So would not be surprised they would look more like the YF-23. Keep in mind Japan had 2 YF-23 style designs on the drawing board. In contrast, Su-57 might have looked more like the F-22 instead.

anyways nice new pics.
you can finally see the bottom bays
its location indicates that they are side by side bays.
not two tandem bays as claimed earlier
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The IWB configuration has indeed changed.

 

[red admiral]

you can finally see the bottom bays
its location indicates that they are side by side bays.
not two tandem bays as claimed earlier

Isn't it a 2 part door for the main landing gear? It folds forwards and rotates. The MLG door shown open in the pictures isn't large enough to accommodate this? Then again the door you highlight looks too long for this; maybe it doubles with equipment bay access