TAI HURJET

Turkish Aerospace GM Mehmet Demiroğlu:

Due to the order coming from Spain and additional expected orders from the Turkish Air Force and the Turkish Naval Forces, we have further accelerated our preparations for mass production. We are planning a mass-production infrastructure capable of producing 2–3 aircraft per month.
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Two HÜRJET prototypes have carried out approximately 400 sortie flights. Our test campaign is continuing successfully. Meanwhile, production is ongoing for four additional prototypes that will serve as lead aircraft for the Turkish Air Force’s initial order batch of 12 aircraft.
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Combat-Master said:
"Turkish Aerospace (TUSAŞ) announced signing a contract with GE Aerospace for F404 engines to power the HÜRJET jet trainer and light combat aircraft program.
The deal advances HÜRJET's serial production goals, boosts sustainable growth, and strengthens the platform's international competitiveness through proven engine technology."
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"GE Aerospace and Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) have signed a contract on the supply of F404 engines for use on TAI’s Hurjet jet trainer.

The contract, announced on the sidelines of the Saha defense exposition here May 5, does not indicate how many engines will be supplied, but officials close to the programs have told Aviation Week that it covers the delivery of up to 200, reflecting TAI’s prospects for the indigenous jet trainer."

https://aviationweek.com/defense/li...space-tai-sign-contract-supply-hurjet-engines
 
Combat-Master said:
Question 2:
Is there a target year for deliveries to the Turkish Air Force? And regarding carrier operations — is takeoff and landing from short-deck ships like TCG Anadolu being considered?

Answer:
Hürjet is going to be carrier-capable — that’s something planned for the second phase. We're already working closely with the Naval Forces on this. Whether it's TCG Anadolu or a future platform, that part is still being defined.

But we’ve already been working on carrier takeoff and landing capability for Hürjet. After we complete the initial deliveries, we’ll also be delivering the carrier-configured version to the Navy.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Htd7DE66itQ
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Don't know why the same news is being regurgitated, but apparently last years interview wasn't official, but this years interview is?

https://twitter.com/x/status/2055573194858168627
View: https://x.com/Defence_blog/status/2055573194858168627?s=20
 
There is a very high, and I mean very high, possibility that the "Naval Hürjet" will not be "Hürjet" but an entirely new aircraft resembling F/A-18 with two 20,000 lbf engines. I sincerely don't know what to think of it. I can understand the naval variant of Hürjet as a jet trainer for the Navy Air Wing, but an F-18 clone? Me no know unga bunga (brain.exe has stopped working)
 
Nart said:
There is a very high, and I mean very high, possibility that the "Naval Hürjet" will not be "Hürjet" but an entirely new aircraft resembling F/A-18 with two 20,000 lbf engines. I sincerely don't know what to think of it. I can understand the naval variant of Hürjet as a jet trainer for the Navy Air Wing, but an F-18 clone? Me no know unga bunga (brain.exe has stopped working)
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Stealth design or not?
 
Second TEDBF?
Mighty tejaswaffe growing through borders.

While idea itself may be attractive, it's another full aircraft development with corresponding pricetag.
 
Nart said:
There is a very high, and I mean very high, possibility that the "Naval Hürjet" will not be "Hürjet" but an entirely new aircraft resembling F/A-18 with two 20,000 lbf engines. I sincerely don't know what to think of it. I can understand the naval variant of Hürjet as a jet trainer for the Navy Air Wing, but an F-18 clone? Me no know unga bunga (brain.exe has stopped working)
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Hold your horses, guys...

Pardon my language my friend, but all of a sudden everybody started claiming the Naval Hürjet would be twin engined... Who daf#q confirmed that the Naval Hürjet would come in a twin engine configuration?

That alone would require designing an entirely new aircraft altogether, and that aircraft would no longer be a Hürjet, which is precisely what TA(I) and TEI are trying to avoid (for development cost, time, and manpower reasons). This is exactly the kind of thing a non-serious country like India would do, not Turkey and TA(I)/TEI.

Such a scenario only becomes viable if the US (not unexpectedly) refuses to supply F404s in the hope of preventing the buildup of a Turkish carrier force. As said, this is a likely outcome, but no official has ever come out and stated that they are developing a twin engined Hürjet. It was only mentioned as part of a plan B, a solution for serial production in case the US refuses to deliver engines in an attempt to hinder serial production and deliveries of the existing Hürjet.
 
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Ainen said:
Second TEDBF?
Mighty tejaswaffe growing through borders.

While idea itself may be attractive, it's another full aircraft development with corresponding pricetag.
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This is just everyone's sudden assumption (smart and dumb@ss people alike). No official has ever come out and explicitly stated or even indirectly hinted at a twin engined Hürjet redesign for the Navy... It was only ever mentioned as a plan B in case the US refuses to deliver engines in order to hinder serial production and deliveries of the existing Hürjet
 
snne said:
This is just everyone's sudden assumption (smart and dumb@ss people alike). No official has ever come out and explicitly stated or even indirectly hinted at a twin engined Hürjet redesign for the Navy... It was only ever mentioned as a plan B in case the US refuses to deliver engines in order to hinder serial production and deliveries of the existing Hürjet
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Well, I don't read primary Turkish sources, so I mostly track it here :)
20k class engine is F404(in-between 404 and 414 to be exact); two of them is double of the hürjet. It's basically a 3rd, fully separate aircraft in-between Hürjet and Kaan...
 
snne said:
That alone would require designing an entirely new aircraft altogether, and that aircraft would no longer be a Hürjet...
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That is what I'm saying. The Naval Hürjet is not Hürjet; it is a different aircraft. There are multiple people who said it's very similar to F/A-18. People were murmuring about it at the previous IDEF, but I thought it was just industry gossip. However, I personally think something is cooking up. Time will tell.
 
Nart said:
That is what I'm saying. The Naval Hürjet is not Hürjet; it is a different aircraft. There are multiple people who said it's very similar to F/A-18. People were murmuring about it at the previous IDEF, but I thought it was just industry gossip. However, I personally think something is cooking up. Time will tell.
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So the Hurjet-D is distinct from this supposed twin engine carrier fighter or not?
 
Nart said:
That is what I'm saying. The Naval Hürjet is not Hürjet; it is a different aircraft. There are multiple people who said it's very similar to F/A-18. People were murmuring about it at the previous IDEF, but I thought it was just industry gossip. However, I personally think something is cooking up. Time will tell.
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Again, according to what you're saying, these are still just murmurs. If that were ever to become reality, you might as well develop an electromagnetic catapult, navalize the Kaan, and launch that off the deck instead. It would become available in roughly the same timeframe, you wouldn't have to develop yet another entirely new aircraft, and you'd at least end up with a future-proof and highly capable jet on your carrier deck.

Instead of operating two or three different aircraft types (Hürjet + Anka-3 + Kizilelma) just to partially replicate what the Kaan could do, you could cut that down to two; or perhaps even one with the Kaan.

>This would even enable fixed wing carrier-borne AEW operations instead of rotary wing AEW, assuming the US would even consider selling E-2Ds to Turkey (admittedly calling it pretty unlikely would be an understatement but you never know!).<
 
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snne said:
Again, according to what you're saying, these are still just murmurs. If that were ever to become reality, you might as well develop an electromagnetic catapult, navalize the Kaan, and launch that off the deck instead.
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Completely agree on that. I'm not fond of designing any 4th gen in this day and age. I have my doubts about Naval Hürjet as well. What's the point of having an LCA on an aircraft carrier? Naval Hürjet or a new fighter jet, a non-stealth aircraft doesn't sit well with me. I don't think a 4th-gen aircraft is the right way to go for the Turkish Navy.
 
snne said:
If that were ever to become reality, you might as well develop an electromagnetic catapult, navalize the Kaan, and launch that off the deck instead.
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To be fair, it may not be possible or feasible.
 
snne said:
Again, according to what you're saying, these are still just murmurs. If that were ever to become reality, you might as well develop an electromagnetic catapult, navalize the Kaan, and launch that off the deck instead. It would become available in roughly the same timeframe, you wouldn't have to develop yet another entirely new aircraft, and you'd at least end up with a future-proof and highly capable jet on your carrier deck.
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I hope the Turks are pursuing this idea.


snne said:
Instead of operating two or three different aircraft types (Hürjet + Anka-3 + Kizilelma) just to partially replicate what the Kaan could do, you could cut that down to two; or perhaps even one with the Kaan.

>This would even enable fixed wing carrier-borne AEW operations instead of rotary wing AEW, assuming the US would even consider selling E-2Ds to Turkey (admittedly calling it pretty unlikely would be an understatement but you never know!).<
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If the Turks can build a Kaan-class fighter, one that is broadly F-22 class minus the supercruise, they can build their own not-Hawkeye.
 
Scott Kenny said:
If the Turks can build a Kaan-class fighter, one that is broadly F-22 class minus the supercruise, they can build their own not-Hawkeye.
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Again, we're all repeating ourselves, but It all comes down to available resources, which certainly are finite in Turkey's case. The knowledge base as well as industry is obviously there; but allocating not just the funds but also the manpower for mere 50-60 naval fighters, as well as an AEW-platform (the plane, not the radar) is not enough to justify all of this. There's also the fact that there are tons of other programs with higher priorities.

Aselsan is already officially developing an AEW radar for large unmanned aircraft that would also be an ideal fit for such an aircraft. The issue lies in developing the platform itself, since neither China nor the US would ever provide a carrier-capable transport aircraft as a basis. As said, Turkey can certainly pull it off, but there are tons of other projects that could make far better use of the finite resources that would otherwise be tied up in projects like these.
 
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snne said:
Again, we're all repeating ourselves, but It all comes down to available resources, which certainly are finite in Turkey's case. The knowledge base as well as industry is obviously there; but allocating not just the funds but also the manpower for mere 50-60 naval fighters, as well as an AEW-platform (the plane, not the radar) is not enough to justify all of this. There's also the fact that there are tons of other programs with higher priorities.

Aselsan is already officially developing an AEW radar for large unmanned aircraft that would also be an ideal fit for such an aircraft. The issue lies in developing the platform itself, since neither China nor the US would ever provide a carrier-capable transport aircraft as a basis. As said, Turkey can certainly pull it off, but there are tons of other projects that could make far better use of the finite resources that would otherwise be tied up in projects like these.
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Or the carrier AEW ends up as a drone.

I honestly think that the entire world needs to deploy a VTOL AEW on every ship for advance warning of sea-skimmer AShMs.
 
Nart said:
There is a very high, and I mean very high, possibility that the "Naval Hürjet" will not be "Hürjet" but an entirely new aircraft resembling F/A-18 with two 20,000 lbf engines. I sincerely don't know what to think of it. I can understand the naval variant of Hürjet as a jet trainer for the Navy Air Wing, but an F-18 clone? Me no know unga bunga (brain.exe has stopped working)
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It didn't make sense to me at first, but when I think about it more... it's not completely stupid idea.
 
Geo said:
It didn't make sense to me at first, but when I think about it more... it's not completely stupid idea.
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It isn't by any means, just a very expensive one.
 
Ainen said:
It isn't by any means, just a very expensive one.
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Yep, and the hypothetical "develop a twin-engine aircraft based on the Hürjet" Plan B would involve TEI's TF-10000 rather than GE's F404s. So, not a "Turkish Superbug", but something more akin to a lovechild of T-50 & F-CK-1B.

Still a terrible idea though... Which is why it's their Plan B in case they cannot secure engines, not Plan A.
 
That will be Turkish bug(fighting with Turkish apples! Garden defense mission) anyway. Broadly similar type (medium, multirole supersonic).

And while it's sort of attractive to make a whole ecosystem of:
-VLO strike drone
-LO multirole drone
-Heavy LO fighter
-Medium multirole
-LIFT(more of a light fighter itself)
(while doing 6th gen, all armament, procurement of aircraft and armament stocks, etc simultaneously), I don't think it's the most efficient way of spending money for medium power. Corners(derisking), procurement and timelines will just have to give way.
 
Ainen said:
That will be Turkish bug(fighting with Turkish apples! Garden defense mission) anyway. Broadly similar type (medium, multirole supersonic).

And while it's sort of attractive to make a whole ecosystem of:
-VLO strike drone
-LO multirole drone
-Heavy LO fighter
-Medium multirole
-LIFT(more of a light fighter itself)
(while doing 6th gen, all armament, procurement of aircraft and armament stocks, etc simultaneously), I don't think it's the most efficient way of spending money for medium power. Corners(derisking), procurement and timelines will just have to give way.
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Agreed, but to be fair; Kızılelma, Anka-3, and Hürjet were all self-funded by TA(I) and Baykar. Kaan is really the only program whose development was initiated and funded by the government.
 
Hürjet P2 spotted with underwing (& belly) pylons for the first time

HItJLLgWQAAoOeu
 
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Combat-Master said:
Fully setup with highspeed cameras pointing at the pylons
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Two cameras can prove that the Hurjet's flight validation test had not been completed when the photos were taken.
The way the cameras are installed further proves that the need for this flight validation test was not known at the design stage, hence no dedicated pod mounting position was reserved, nor was a dedicated camera pod designed.

Without another country helping to complete the KF21 the way the US helped South Korea, there are countless similar engineering details that would need to be resolved through manpower, time, and money.

Hurjet should not merely complete its own test flights; it should help Turkey’s defense industry establish a complete flight validation system, thereby assisting the development of KAAN. However, the current number of Hurjet test flights and flight hours make it impossible to achieve this — KAAN will have to accomplish these things on its own.

ps：I don’t know how thick these manuals are, but currently no more than five countries can independently complete them.
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Christmas Day dumplings said:
Two cameras can prove that the Hurjet's flight validation test had not been completed when the photos were taken.
The way the cameras are installed further proves that the need for this flight validation test was not known at the design stage, hence no dedicated pod mounting position was reserved, nor was a dedicated camera pod designed.
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This ain't the first armed aircraft to ever come out of Turkey bruh, what are you on about XD

Imagine being arrogant enough to think you've found a design flaw that somehow escaped all those experienced project managers, flight-test engineers, systems engineers, certification teams, aerodynamicists, structural analysts, test pilots, and technicians actually working on the aircraft...

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snne said:
This ain't the first armed aircraft to ever come out of Turkey bruh, what are you on about XD

Imagine being arrogant enough to think you've found a design flaw that somehow escaped all those experienced project managers, flight-test engineers, systems engineers, certification teams, aerodynamicists, structural analysts, test pilots, and technicians actually working on the aircraft...

LOL-Ricky-Gervais.gif
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Brother, do you verify pylon stability at Mach 1.5 with your eyes? Or do you verify pylon stability under 9g overload with your eyes
 
Christmas Day dumplings said:
Brother, do you verify pylon stability at Mach 1.5 with your eyes? Or do you verify pylon stability under 9g overload with your eyes
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Neither with eyes, nor cameras but with the magical, virtually unobtainable technology of conformal antennas, which the Turks need to import from abroad of course.
 

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