Sukhoi PAK FA (T-50, I-21) Part III

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Stargazer2006 said:
Considering the angle, not quite the same photograph but one very close, I'd say a couple of seconds before the other one was taken. Still, I think it's definitely the same aircraft, and therefore what we have here is a fake of the T-50.

In fact, you can easy prove its exactly the same picture. Overlay the "PAK-FA" picture over the other one, scaled to 125%, set opacity to 50%, and then move it around. You will end up with this. Only the aircraft is different: the rest of the picture is identical.
 

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flateric said:
Ogami musashi said:
however the squashed is difficult to imagine.

quite easy!

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I've posted this image on another forum where they told me it's evidently an F-22 radome loaded onto a C-5.

It would seem to me that nearly 0% of all the information coming out of the Russian press could even be considered remotely reliable or even not blatantly stupid. This fails to surprise me.
 
Ray, it was kind of ...err...joke. And this is not F-22. This is YF-22.
 
Yes indeed! a Suchoi Su-34 Platypus there are now 6 platypussen in service by the Russian airforce!
But I believe the nose of the T-50 will be much rounder in diameter,because the recent unveiling of the PAK-FA proves it.
 
with some of the "descriptions" released, the plane may actually resemble the one in the badge.

so, any ideas on the inlet design? ???
 
guess what...
posted by Wait4me
http://www.avanturist.org/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=oi118m2sicrp1ildi2vca1kbt3&topic=518.msg521118#msg521118

onbviously we haven't seen such canopy (well, not talking into account Flanker-A) and ejection seat angle before
rearward-opening canopy on T-50 has been confirmed by other possible insider about a month ago

four-star general standing back is Chief of the General Staff Nikolay Makarov, entering the cockpit
is Air Force CINC Alexander Zelin

I vote for simulator
 

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Yep ... but anyway after years of waiting finally a glimpse of the real one !!

Can't wait to see it complete.

Deino
 
This photo may be the real one but the others that are on AFM are from a rafale simulator; The MFD's shows the exact same images than on a rafale and one can see the rafale in the stores page.
 
yep, false alarm...
 

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??? ???

Sorry guys ... but where can you see a MFD ??? ...

I agree the seat looks very much different to anything Russian-like (to be exact: it looks very much like a Mk.16) but first, the canopy of the Rafale opens to the side and when was Gen. Zelin or any other high-ranking Russian delegation in France to take a seat in the Rafale-simulator? ???

Deino
 
Deino said:
the canopy of the Rafale opens to the side
yes, but sim shouldn't exactly mimic canopy hing mechanism - there are plenty other sims that prove that
Deino said:
and when was Gen. Zelin or any other high-ranking Russian delegation in France to take a seat in the Rafale-simulator? ???
they were visiting France starting Dec.14, 2009
 
flateric said:
yes, but sim shouldn't exactly mimic canopy hing mechanism - there are plenty other sims that prove that

Agreed, but if it is a simulator, why does it have a canopy anyway ??

they were visiting France starting Dec.14, 2009

O.k. ... the final nail to that coffin ! :-[
 
Deino said:
Agreed, but if it is a simulator, why does it have a canopy anyway ??
many sims have 'em, nothing unusual for me here
 
actually, I'm not - I expect something more advanced from T-50 canopy
 
flateric said:
actually, I'm not - I expect something more advanced from T-50 canopy

Yeah, ditto. Unless its either frameless and one piece, or its sawtoothed, then it ain't it.
 
There will be no frameless canopy on first aircrafts.
 
nothing would stop 'em...
from TU_TU_TU at www.radioscanner.ru
 

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T-10М-10 (an 'old' Su-35) No.710 with 'Article 117' engines, intended for T-50 (not to confuse with 117S engines, 117 is a top one of 117 series)

photos by RamblerOne and BravoSierraAlpha, www.aviaforum.ru
 

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Must be freezing there. Chasing pictures under such conditions really must be a trying experience.

Is it me, or the fins on this Flanker are extended? They look extremely long, especially in the third picture.
 
Stargazer2006 said:
Is it me, or the fins on this Flanker are extended? They look extremely long, especially in the third picture.

yep, they are - like on Flanker-C
 
I am charmed by her beauty very much.
It took long time to mature.
 
DATELINE: KOMSOMOLSK-ON-AMUR Jan 18

The prospective fighter jet will make its maiden flight soon, a source in Komsomolsk-on-Amur told Interfax-AVN on Monday.

“The date of the maiden flight of the fifth-generation fighter jet will be named this week. The flight will take place in January,” he said.

The Komsomolsk-on-Amur aviation plant is intensively testing the plane on the ground, he said.

“The jet has had a number of runway trials, which tested the engines, brakes and the control systems,” the source said.

“The runway trials were successful, which gave us hope for making the maiden flight on time,” he said.

The new jet of the Sukhoi company will be an intellectual product with multiple functions, capacity to destroy air-and land-based targets at anytime of the day and under any weather conditions, super- maneuverability, optical, infra-red and radar stealth and ability to take off and land from runways of 300-400 meters.

Experts claims the plane will make long flights at supersonic speeds with multiple refueling in the air. It will carry new electronic systems and have a highly automatic flight control network.


http://www.russiandefenseblog.org/?p=766
 
IR stealth with an axissymmetrical nozzle - interesting, might use some form of passive or active cooling

also
http://www.aviaport.ru/news/2010/01/18/188753.html

no specific date ???
 
saintkatanalegacy said:
IR stealth with an axissymmetrical nozzle - interesting, might use some form of passive or active cooling
do you see such stuff at F-35?

saintkatanalegacy said:
no specific date ???
no specific date, yep
 
I see that there is some discussion about direct lift on sukhoi.ru's pak fa thread.

Is there any indication pak-fa could use direct lift?
 
as far as i've been reading, I haven't found any information if it will have DLC or not though it would be reasonable for it to come with those since they did mention about taking the "aerodynamic" approach and will need them for STOL with a full loadout.
 
Today the T-10M-10 (b/n 710 /the 'old' Su-35) made its first flight with with 'Article 117' engines. I presume pictures are on Russian forums & will be posted here soon .
 
http://aviaforum.ru/showpost.php?p=576509&postcount=194
http://aviaforum.ru/showpost.php?p=576511&postcount=195

no first flight photos yet

look foк this thread http://aviaforum.ru/showthread.php?t=23135&page=21
 
T-50-1, first flightworthy air vehicle, performed low and high-speed taxi tests at Dzemgi airfield on Jan 21-22 with "one of the best test pilots" at controls (Dzemgi air force base shares airfield with KnAAPO)
http://groomi.livejournal.com/19124.html
ac performed FLG rotation and release of brake parachute, with last taxi ending in duck
http://kyrazh.ru/index.php?action=vthread&forum=6&topic=1076&page=11

"first flight is soon"

presumably, beginning of next week at KnAAPO, but An-124 is awaiting at Dzemgi on 25th, so intrigue is still on
 
Some news from nemetc
http://kyrazh.ru/index.php?action=vthread&forum=6&topic=1076&page=12:

"-The plane lifted of the forward landing gear wheel today and deployed the parachute.

-The plane is looking flat, as other sources have said. (Months ago it was said it is flat like toad). Only canopy area looks humped. Vertical stabs are trapezoidal and all-movable. The nose looks canted downward, with tail being elevated. Aircraft is looking 'unusual'.

- During taxi tests photos and video were taken..."

That source isn't the same that confirmed taxi tests, so i am not sure how trustable this one is.

That was yesterday. Flateric, do you know if nemetc is trustable?
 
Yes, seems so. And now seems he have some worries about it.
 
T-10-10 '710' testbed with 117 engine in flight.
Photo by TU_TU_TU aka BravoSierraAlpha
http://www.radioscanner.ru
 

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flateric said:
T-10-10 '710' testbed with 117 engine in flight.
Photo by TU_TU_TU aka BravoSierraAlpha
http://www.radioscanner.ru

Nice. Is there a higher resolution version available?
 
flateric said:
T-10-10 '710' testbed with 117 engine in flight.
[...]
Is this aircraft powered by two 'Article 117' engines, or just by one 'Article 117' engine?
If so, backboard or starboard?
Thanks in advance for a short answer! :)
 
I presume, port side
 
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