Sovyetskiy Soyuz (Project 23) class battleship

[Sentinel Chicken]

Does anyone have any schematics of how the Sovietsky Soyuz class battleships were to have looked if completed?

 

[KCX]

Length : 259.6m
Beam : 38.9m
Draught : 10.37m
Maximum Displacement : 65,150t
Propulsion : Steam turbine X 12 (201,000hp), Range 5,960nm at 14kt
Speed : 28kt
Armament : 406mm 50cal. X 9, 152mm 57cal. X 12, 100mm 56cal. AA X 6, 37mm AA X 32, 457mm Torpedo tube X 2
Armor : Belt 420mm, Deck 125mm, Turret 495mm, Bridge 480mm
Complement : 1,664

 

[flateric]

Sentinel Chicken - check your PM a little bit later.

Source
A.M. Vasil'ev Sovetsky Souyz Type Battleships
(c) 2006 Galleya Print St.Petersburg
Graphics by Y.V. Apal'kov

 

[Triton]

Port broadside view of Sovetsky Soyuz-class battleship model.

Artist's impression of the Sovetsky Soyuz-class battleship.

The class would have consisted of four ships:

* Sovietsky Soyuz ("Soviet Union") - laid down 15 July 1938 in Leningrad
* Sovietskaya Ukraina ("Soviet Ukraine") - laid down 28 November 1938 in Nikolayev
* Sovietskaya Rossiya ("Soviet Russia") - laid down late 1939 in Molotovsk
* Sovietskaya Belorussiya ("Soviet Belorussia") - laid down late 1939 in Molotovsk

NOTE: The transliteration of Russian names is not consistent from source to source. Variations of spelling include Sovetskii Soiuz, Sovyetskiy Soyuz, Sovetskiy Soyuz, Sovjetski Sojuz

 

[JFC Fuller]

This one might be a bit niche or common knowledge that I only just picked up on:

Molotovsk (where Sovietskaya Rossiya and Sovietskaya Belorussiya were laid down) is now Sevrodvinsk, it was a town that barely existed until Stalin ordered it into being and had it constructed by slave labour in the mid-late 1930s. It was intended as a shipyard town for the construction of large warships and the centrepiece was a massive building shed, capable of simultaneously building two battleships, that lead out onto its own basin. That shed still exists and is part of the Sevmash infrastructure, it can be seen on Google Earth as the southern most of the two large sheds leading onto the big Sevmash basin, the one directly behind the currently under reconstruction Admiral Nakhimov. For reference see the below links:

Declassified October 1954 CIA report showing the layout of the shipyard.
1944 photo of the shed taken by the US Naval Attache on a boat tour of Molotovsk.

Incidentally, Sovietskaya Ukraina was laid down on the same slipway later used for the soviet carrier programme, culminating in Ul'yanovsk.

 

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[alexi]

View attachment 634636

Let's see:
1st - No clue
2nd - Sovietsky Soyuz
3rd - Project 21 battleship
4rd - TsNII-45 small battleship project (1x2 457mm gun variant)
5rd -Stalingrad (Project 82 battlecruiser).
6rd - Mosvka (Project 66 cruiser).
7rd - Black Sea Dreadnought 1917.

 

[able]

View attachment 634636

Let's see:
1st - No clue
2nd - Sovietsky Soyuz
3rd - Project 21 battleship
4rd - TsNII-45 small battleship project (1x2 457mm gun variant)
5rd -Stalingrad (Project 82 battlecruiser).
6rd - Mosvka (Project 66 cruiser).
7rd - Black Sea Dreadnought 1917.

1st is Project 24 with 3-2*457 turrets

 

[alexi]

First time hear Project 24 with 6x18" guns (are those Yamato turret? lol 'cause they sure look like it), i know there's variant with 4x2 mounts but most are 3x3. Also is this model built on actual blueprint or self depicted?

 

[able]

Project 24


The turrent on the model is the same as small battleship

 

[Iron Felix]

1st is Project 24 with 3-2*457 turrets

"9 - 458 mm guns in three turrets, like a MK-1 (turret with three 406 mm B-37 guns), with increased armour (3x3)
12 - 180 mm guns in four turrets (4x3)
16 - 130 mm guns in eight turrets (8x2)"
And, idea with quadriple barrel turrets for 130 mm guns (8x4)
"Ammunition - 100 rounds for one 458 mm barrel, 150 round for 180 mm and 200 round for 130 mm".
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Variant of Project 23bis, 12x406 mm, 12x152 mm, 12x100 mm, 12x37 mm:

 

[natewillcome4you]

I'd love to see the sources used for the small battleship, I think I saw something similar once but it had 5 16 inchers instead

 

[A Tentative Fleet Plan]

 

[Grey Havoc]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WarshipPorn/comments/mqmux7 View: https://www.reddit.com/r/WarshipPorn/comments/mqmux7/soviet_406_mml50_battleship_cannon_on_single/

 

[Antonio]

Project 23 comprehensive evolution on Warship 2021 issue

Warship 2021

For over 40 years, <i>Warship</i> has been the leading annual resource on the design, development, and deployment of the world's combat ships. Featuring a broad range of articles from a select panel of distinguished international contributors, this latest volume combines original research, new...

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[ptdockyard]

Project 23 comprehensive evolution on Warship 2021 issue

Warship 2021

For over 40 years, <i>Warship</i> has been the leading annual resource on the design, development, and deployment of the world's combat ships. Featuring a broad range of articles from a select panel of distinguished international contributors, this latest volume combines original research, new...

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Mine just arrived today. Excellent article.

Lots on the 1936 KB-4 preliminary. That one is my preferred from and aesthetic standpoint.

Dave G

 

[airman]

1st is Project 24 with 3-2*457 turrets

"9 - 458 mm guns in three turrets, like a MK-1 (turret with three 406 mm B-37 guns), with increased armour (3x3)
12 - 180 mm guns in four turrets (4x3)
16 - 130 mm guns in eight turrets (8x2)"
And, idea with quadriple barrel turrets for 130 mm guns (8x4)
"Ammunition - 100 rounds for one 458 mm barrel, 150 round for 180 mm and 200 round for 130 mm".
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Variant of Project 23bis, 12x406 mm, 12x152 mm, 12x100 mm, 12x37 mm:
View attachment 634777

Same picture visibible on "Stalin's Ocean-Going Fleet " .

 

[airman]

According to plan of 15 august 1937 : there was a proposal for 6 battleship of project23.