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during 1980s the Red Army look in new weaponsystem to beat NATO at war

1k17 Tank is one of those system
with a 66-pound synthetic ruby rods Laser, it was not cut true US tanks
but blind pilots and dazzling optical and electronic mechanisms of enemy weapons systems
even in bad weather condition

The First prototype was ready in 1990 and mass production was consider for 1992
sadly in 1991 the Soviet union implode...

source:
http://gizmodo.com/5715192/the-secret-soviet-laser-tank
more Picture
http://englishrussia.com/index.php/2010/12/18/unveiling-top-secret-military-technologies/
even more Picture
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/publ_w7_2010/0033_laser.htm
 

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The concept seems a bit flawed. You build a big expensive laser system, so you can just blind vehicle operators. I get the tactical value, but is it worth the expense?
 
It *destroys* optical systems per se. Operators' eyes are just collateral damage. Now imagine this in first rows of Soviet tank wave going to La Manche, destroying optics at NATO tanks, Apaches etc.
 
Yildirim said:
The concept seems a bit flawed. You build a big expensive laser system, so you can just blind vehicle operators. I get the tactical value, but is it worth the expense?

you sit in a Apaches attack helicopter try to shoot Soviet tanks at La Manche
your the Optical target system goes blind and cockpit windows get opaque
you can't see and Apaches fly low over ground full of Trees, Building and power lines
and Hovering then your are siting duck for soviets...
 
flateric said:
It *destroys* optical systems per se. Operators' eyes are just collateral damage. Now imagine this in first rows of Soviet tank wave going to La Manche, destroying optics at NATO tanks, Apaches etc.

I read about a system back in the 80s that the US Army had been playing with similar to this. Accidentally *exploded* one guy's eyeballs. IIRC I read about it in Military Technology.
 
Weren't US developments to create a similar system halted by some sort of law regulating the use of blinding weaponry? IIRC the system was to be mounted on the Bradley chassis and the program's name was Roadrunner or something like that. I'm surprised the Soviets were able to avoid political issues with this, I would have figured such a vehicle would be a target in the CFE treaties or something.
 
Wasn't the American equivalent this:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/stingray.htm
 
With the laser energy reductor it has the potential to be the coolest piece of equipment for the techno party ever! :D
 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbfaADhkvq8


Astrophysica Sanguine (helicopter EOTS blinder), explosive-pump lasers, Terra-3, LE-1 laser rangefinder (yes, that one that tracked Challenger back in 1984) - orifice of 196 laser beams combined in 70 meter optical path
 
flateric said:
Astrophysica Sanguine (helicopter EOTS blinder), explosive-pump lasers, Terra-3, LE-1 laser rangefinder (yes, that one that tracked Challenger back in 1984) - orifice of 196 laser beams combined in 70 meter optical path
Very interesting, thanks!
 
Stranger_NN said:
System for the destruction of opto-electronic means of aircraft "Sanguine"




Thanks Stranger_NN
I have always been amazed and envious of the Soviet military's ability and acceptance to adopt an existing system / platform - in this case the venrable ZSU-23-4 "Shilka" as the basis for the 'Sanguine' system - Supporting the notion of KISS

My friend I do not read Russian :( Could you tell me as to what come of this program?

Regards
Pioneer
 
some fantastic recently declassified rare footage included like Terra 3 guts and Omega project stuff


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4S-ivqEldw
 
I recall reading somewhere that blinding/dazzling laser weapons for shipboard use were supplied by the US to the UK in preparation for the Falklands conflict. I don't think that this, or the existence of such US weapons, has ever been officially acknowledged - probably due to their questionable legality.
 
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I recall reading somewhere that blinding/dazzling laser weapons for shipboard use were supplied by the US to the UK in preparation for the Falklands conflict. I don't think that this, or the existence of such US weapons, has ever been officially acknowledged - probably due to their questionable legality.
Outfit DEC - the Laser Dazzle Sight - was indeed carried, although I believe it was homegrown rather than imported (although that's not to say the US doesn't have them) and it has been officially adknowledged that the system existed. It's now been withdrawn.
 
taildragger said:
I recall reading somewhere that blinding/dazzling laser weapons for shipboard use were supplied by the US to the UK in preparation for the Falklands conflict. I don't think that this, or the existence of such US weapons, has ever been officially acknowledged - probably due to their questionable legality.

Blinding weapons were banned in 1995, but the US does use large number of dazzling lasers or 'optical distractors' in Afghanistan and elsewhere. There are larger ones for shipboard use too, but unlike Equipment DEC (which was from Marconi IIRC) these are for use against small boats rather than aircraft per se.
 
Weapons which were designed to cause permanent blindness to the naked eye are banned by the Protocol on Blinding Laser Weapons added as part of the 1980 Geneva Convention. Weapons which temporarily blind are perfectly legal, and widely used. It’s also legal to have lasers which might cause permanent blindness to someone looking through an image intensification device like binoculars or a gun sight, as this is true of many laser rangefinders and target designators. All and all the 'ban' is really just a play nice rule, and not any serious restriction on useful weapons.
 
The other side's experiments with a similar idea, starting with the 1K17 Szhatie (Сжатие — "Compression") self-propelled laser platform. The chassis of a 2S19 Msta SPG (so in other words, a modified T-80 with the engine of a T-72) fitted with a 12-tube solid-state laser array using about 65lbs of synthetic ruby lenses and pulsed xenon flashbulbs (other sources claim they were YAG lenses). Info is scarce, but it's known that the 1K17 was more of an electronic warfare system than a directed energy weapon, its lasers would have been used to burn out electro-optical systems on enemy vehicles rather than destroying them outright.
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Onto something a bit weirder even, the 1K11 Stilet (Stiletto). Built off the SU-100P platform - more particularly the GMZ minelayer version if my brief research is correct, it only featured a single laser but functioned in much the same way as the 1K17. Not sure of any details on the laser, but it was again designed for use against optical systems and seekers. Allegedly it did this by hitting potential targets with a low-powered laser to produce a reflection or glare off its lenses, then firing at full power to disable them (think looking for snipers by watching for light glinting off their scopes).
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And finally the "Sangvin" (GRAU designation unknown), another blinder system but optimized for use against aircraft by mounting it in the turret of a modified ZSU-23-4 Shilka. Even less info is available on it than the rest, but in testing both the Stilet and Sangvin were supposedly able to knock out electro-optics at ranges up to 10km.

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Does anyone have any good info on the Terra 3 laser formally at Sary Shagan? I'm especially interested if there is any truth to the Laser being used to track Space Shuttle Challenger on Oct. 10, 1984 as outlined in a 1997 article by Steven Zaloga.
 

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The other side's experiments with a similar idea, starting with the 1K17 Szhatie (Сжатие — "Compression") self-propelled laser platform. The chassis of a 2S19 Msta SPG (so in other words, a modified T-80 with the engine of a T-72) fitted with a 12-tube solid-state laser array using about 65lbs of synthetic ruby lenses and pulsed xenon flashbulbs (other sources claim they were YAG lenses). Info is scarce, but it's known that the 1K17 was more of an electronic warfare system than a directed energy weapon, its lasers would have been used to burn out electro-optical systems on enemy vehicles rather than destroying them outright.
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Onto something a bit weirder even, the 1K11 Stilet (Stiletto). Built off the SU-100P platform - more particularly the GMZ minelayer version if my brief research is correct, it only featured a single laser but functioned in much the same way as the 1K17. Not sure of any details on the laser, but it was again designed for use against optical systems and seekers. Allegedly it did this by hitting potential targets with a low-powered laser to produce a reflection or glare off its lenses, then firing at full power to disable them (think looking for snipers by watching for light glinting off their scopes).
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And finally the "Sangvin" (GRAU designation unknown), another blinder system but optimized for use against aircraft by mounting it in the turret of a modified ZSU-23-4 Shilka. Even less info is available on it than the rest, but in testing both the Stilet and Sangvin were supposedly able to knock out electro-optics at ranges up to 10km.

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was the Sangvin scrapped? This actually looks like a more viable platform for anti-helicopter dazzling than the other designs thanks to their use of the Shilka.
 
Weren't US developments to create a similar system halted by some sort of law regulating the use of blinding weaponry?

1K17 was dead long before the UN ban on blinding laser weapons came into force. Both the USSR and USA had developed and were close to fielding combat blinding lasers. The Chinese produced the ZM-87 which, along with the British Outfit DEC, might be the only operational blinding lasers to see battlefield use.

Russia had some tactical lasers, mainly rangefinders, that were designed to be used with a secondary role of blinding laser capacity but troops were instructed to stop using this capability after the 1995 protocol made it a war crime.

IIRC the system was to be mounted on the Bradley chassis and the program's name was Roadrunner or something like that.

VLQ-7 Stingray was on the Bradley chassis. PLQ-5 Cobra was a man-portable system. Compass Hammer was on F-15E. Cameo Bluejay was on the Longbow Apache. Outrider was a lightweight version of the Stingray developed for the Marine Corps on the HMMWV.

All of these were developed under an umbrella of tactical blinding laser countermeasure systems (LCMS) for defeat of undetected targets using optical guidance/tracking, such as MANPADS, ATGW, sniper rifles, and guided missile launchers, before they fired. All of these were immediately canceled in FY95 following the Protocol on the Ban of Blinding Laser Weapons which was adopted by all P5 powers.

The only thing that survived, IIRC, was the targeting system from the PLQ-5. The Russians had some weird air defense lasers and stuff mounted on big ass trucks for blinding optronics, like Sniper ATP, but these never went anywhere. AFAIK they were private venture stuff.

I'm surprised the Soviets were able to avoid political issues with this,

Why? The Soviet answer to "political issues" was simple: don't cause them, or else you'll get fired, and just do your job.

Both sides of the Cold War were developing DEWs at the end of it anyway. America had experimented with particle beams for anti-missile shipboard defense in the 1970's while the USSR was probably looking at them for anti-tank use. Lasers were the next step up from this because they weren't affected by the magnetic field.

I would have figured such a vehicle would be a target in the CFE treaties or something.

Neither Stiletto nor Compression were produced. They were mere testbed articles for a more reliable or economic system.

Of the two the 1K11 had more promise for practical economic concerns, but the 1K17 incorporated a dozen separate frequency lasers for defeat of anti-laser filters, so it was better for tactical concerns. These sort of filters were developed into upgrades for the M60 and M1 by the late 1980's and are now pretty common AIUI.
 
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1K17 was dead long before the UN ban on blinding laser weapons came into force. Both the USSR and USA had developed and were close to fielding combat blinding lasers. The Chinese produced the ZM-87 which, along with the British Outfit DEC, might be the only operational blinding lasers to see battlefield use.

Russia had some tactical lasers, mainly rangefinders, that were designed to be used with a secondary role of blinding laser capacity but troops were instructed to stop using this capability after the 1995 protocol made it a war crime.



VLQ-7 Stingray was on the Bradley chassis. PLQ-5 Cobra was a man-portable system. Compass Hammer was on F-15E. Cameo Bluejay was on the Longbow Apache. Outrider was a lightweight version of the Stingray developed for the Marine Corps on the HMMWV.

All of these were developed under an umbrella of tactical blinding laser countermeasure systems (LCMS) for defeat of undetected targets using optical guidance/tracking, such as MANPADS, ATGW, sniper rifles, and guided missile launchers, before they fired. All of these were immediately canceled in FY95 following the Protocol on the Ban of Blinding Laser Weapons which was adopted by all P5 powers.

The only thing that survived, IIRC, was the targeting system from the PLQ-5. The Russians had some weird air defense lasers and stuff mounted on big ass trucks for blinding optronics, like Sniper ATP, but these never went anywhere. AFAIK they were private venture stuff.



Why? The Soviet answer to "political issues" was simple: don't cause them, or else you'll get fired, and just do your job.

Both sides of the Cold War were developing DEWs at the end of it anyway. America had experimented with particle beams for anti-missile shipboard defense in the 1970's while the USSR was probably looking at them for anti-tank use. Lasers were the next step up from this because they weren't affected by the magnetic field.



Neither Stiletto nor Compression were produced. They were mere testbed articles for a more reliable or economic system.

Of the two the 1K11 had more promise for practical economic concerns, but the 1K17 incorporated a dozen separate frequency lasers for defeat of anti-laser filters, so it was better for tactical concerns. These sort of filters were developed into upgrades for the M60 and M1 by the late 1980's and are now pretty common AIUI.
One small correction, where you say "All of these were developed under an umbrella of tactical blinding laser countermeasure systems (LCMS) for defeat of undetected targets using optical guidance/tracking," the correct umbrella term is Electro-Optic Countermeasures (EOCM). The Laser Countermeasure System (LCMS) was a specific rifle-mounted laser-based EOCM system with two versions, AN/PLQ-4 "basic" LCMS used in development testing and AN/PLQ-5 Phase II "objective" LCMS. (See https://www.refworld.org/docid/3ae6a7cf10.html )

(Note that Cobra was not designated PLQ-5 as you stated. As stated at the previously given link "McDonnell-Douglas Electronic Systems Co. of McLean, Virginia, developed the Cobra for the Army. It is a portable, rifle-like, shoulder-fired, manually operated, non-scanning tactical laser weapon. Cobra was tested in 1989[57] and competed for the LCMS contract that was awarded to Lockheed Sanders.")

As stated at https://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1394&context=cilj

"Perhaps the most publicized of the U.S. Army's anti-optic laser devices, the Laser Countermeasure System (LCMS) was to have been the first mass produced laser weapon. 27 The LCMS is sufficiently compact for its barrel to be mounted on the standard M-16 infantry rifle; complete with power unit, the entire device weighs 42 pounds and has an effective range of over two kilometers (approximately 1.25 miles). 28 The LCMS' primary stated role is to detect, jam, and suppress enemy fire control, optical and electrooptical systems; however, it also can impair vision and at 1,000 meters or less "may cause permanent eye injury to the [observer], including blindness."

From https://digitalcommons.lmu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1397&context=ilr

"Lockheed Sanders developed the Laser Countermeasure System (LCMS). 38 Ultimately, the LCMS became the Army's most advanced portable tactical laser weapon system. In 1995, the LCMS came under some of the closest scrutiny of all U.S. tactical laser weapons programs. 39 ... Development and production of tactical laser weapons advanced through 1995, even as the United States undertook a review of its policy and prepared for the CCW Review Conference, which led to Protocol IV's ban on blinding laser weapons. In the course of less than two months, the United States contracted to produce its most advanced tactical laser weapon, the LCMS, and then cancelled the program. On August 31, 1995, the day before the Department of Defense issued its policy statement, the military awarded a $16.8 million contract to Lockheed Sanders, Inc. of Nashua, New Hampshire for the production of fifty actual and twenty-five low power training units of the LCMS. 56 The contract was part of a $275 million program that called for procurement of approximately 2500 of the systems, each costing between $85,000 and $100,000. 57"

After the cancellation of the LCMS program, the targeting system developed for LCMS was continued as the Target Location and Observation System (TLOS). For more on TLOS, see the following thread https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/an-pxx-x-tlos.17894/

I worked on the research and development of some of the technologies for the LCMS program when I worked at the U.S. Army's Night Vision and Electronics Sensors Directorate (NVESD) in the 1990s. My NVESD colleagues who also worked on LCMS R&D and I were on the source selection committee for the LCMS prototype production that was awarded to Lockheed Sanders. We were also involved with the technology transfer of the LCMS technologies that we developed at NVESD to Lockheed Sanders, and then with helping them trouble shoot any technical issues during the early stages of their implementing those technologies.

After the cancellation of the LCMS program, we worked on the technologies for TLOS and its follow-on the Enhanced TLOS (ETLOS).
 
I came across two web pages with information from sanitized and declassified documents about the CIA/American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics Conference on Soviet Threat Technology, Tuesday, 8 April 1986 at the CIA Headquarters Auditorium 1:

THE ATTACHED CONTAINS BACKGROUND AND TALKING POINTS FOR YOUR WELCOMING REMARKS TO THE JOINT CIA/AIAA | CIA FOIA (foia.cia.gov)


www.cia.gov
www.cia.gov

and https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP88G01117R001004020002-2.pdf

The first link has run together text and the second link is a PDF with the same information, but as an image rather than as searchable text.

Here is an excerpt about Soviet developments in Directed Energy Weapons:

"VI. Directed-Energy and Hypervelocity Kinetic-Energy Weapons

Directed-energy and kinetic-energy weapons potentially could be developed for several strategic weapons applications--antisatellite (ASAT), air defense, battlefield use, and, in the longer term, ballistic missile defense (BMD).

There is strong evidence of Soviet efforts to develop high-energy laser weapons, and these efforts have been taking place, in some cases, since the 1960s:

--We estimate a laser weapon program of the magnitude of the Soviet effort would cost roughly $1 billion per year if carried out in the United States.

--Two facilities at the Saryshagan test range are assessed to have high-energy lasers with the potential to function as ASAT weapons.

--We are concerned about a large Soviet program to develop ground-based laser weapons for terminal defense against reentry vehicles. There are major uncertainties, however, concerning the feasibility and practicality of using ground-based lasers for BMD. We expect the Soviets to test the feasibility of such a system during the 1980s, probably using one of the high-energy laser facilities at Saryshagan. An operational system could not be deployed until many years later, probably not until after the year 2000.

--The Soviets appear to be developing two high-energy laser weapons with potential strategic air defense applications--ground-based and naval point defense.

--The Soviets are continuing to develop an airborne laser.

--Soviet research includes a project to develop high-energy laser weapons for use in space. A prototype high-energy, space-based laser ASAT weapon could be tested in low orbit in the early 1990s. Even if testing were successful, such a system probably could not be operational before the mid-1990s.

The Soviets are also conducting research under military sponsorship for the purpose of acquiring the ability to develop particle beam weapons (PBWs). We believe the Soviets will eventually attempt to build a space-based PBW, but the technical requirements are so severe that we estimate there is a low probability they will test a prototype before the year 2000.

The Soviets are strong in the technologies appropriate for radiofrequency (RF) weapons, which could be used to interfere with or destroy components of missiles or satellites, and we judge they are probably capable of developing a prototype RF weapon system.

We are concerned that Soviet directed-energy programs may have proceeded to the point where they could construct operational ground-based ASAT weapons."
 
Lasers were fitted to ships, like the west they were only able to operationalize dazzling lasers.
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/WarshipPorn/comments/vli49h/russian_coast_guard_project_12081_patrol_boat/


Experimental ships Dickson and Foros performed trial firings in the Black Sea in the 80s, Foros tested the Aquilon system which would be scaled down to a dazzler and be placed on the Vyuga shown above. I hope there's no near future wars in Siberia, getting war crimed by Russia's Coast Guard of all branches sounds pretty tough on the ego. Dickson tested the Aydar, a larger system seemingly intended more to advance laser technology than develop an operational naval weapon.

There was the Dal system, mounted on an mt-lb chassis, which used lasers to detect chemicals in the air. Allegedly a few were made at the very end of the USSR's existence.
 
Weren't US developments to create a similar system halted by some sort of law regulating the use of blinding weaponry? IIRC the system was to be mounted on the Bradley chassis and the program's name was Roadrunner or something like that. I'm surprised the Soviets were able to avoid political issues with this, I would have figured such a vehicle would be a target in the CFE treaties or something.
Most of the Soviet hardware was in the test stage when they had a rare outbreak of common sense about not wanting to have to care for millions of blind veterans that survived WW3. They and the US both agreed to ban laser blinding weapons before the first one was ever deployed, which is a first in weaponry and arms control treaties.
 
Weren't US developments to create a similar system halted by some sort of law regulating the use of blinding weaponry? IIRC the system was to be mounted on the Bradley chassis and the program's name was Roadrunner or something like that. I'm surprised the Soviets were able to avoid political issues with this, I would have figured such a vehicle would be a target in the CFE treaties or something.
Most of the Soviet hardware was in the test stage when they had a rare outbreak of common sense about not wanting to have to care for millions of blind veterans that survived WW3. They and the US both agreed to ban laser blinding weapons before the first one was ever deployed, which is a first in weaponry and arms control treaties.
Colonial-Marine, for Roadrunner, I think you mean Stingray which was a laser-based electro-optics countermeasures (EOCM) prototype system mounted on a Bradley armored vehicle - see bold text below. CORRECTION: I found a reference to "Roadrunner" indicating that it was a project to develop a blinding laser weapon mounted on an armored vehicle prior to Stingray: https://medcoeckapwstorprd01.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/pfw-images/dbimages/Laser Ch 2.pdf , which states, "In the early 1980s, the US Army commenced development of a laser system known as the close-combat laser assault weapon (C-CLAW), nicknamed “Roadrunner.” The C-CLAW used modestly low-powered lasers to attack and neutralize electro-optic sights, night vision equipment, and helicopter canopies. The system employed the primary frequency of pulsed CO2 at 1 kW and both the primary and doubled frequencies of Nd:YAG. As a consequence of the latter, the system was quite capable of inflicting severe damage to enemy eyes, although these were not its intended targets. The goal was to build a 900-lb system to be mounted adjunct on an armored vehicle, but by 1983, the system had grown too heavy (3,000lb) and was too expensive to meet specifications. As a result, the C-CLAW program was canceled."

Scott Kenny, the ban on laser blinding weapons was issued in 1995 and came into force in 1998, long after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991. Both the U.S. and Russia are among the 109 nations (as of April 2018) that have agreed to the Protocol on Blinding Laser Weapons issued in 1995.

The Vienna Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons (CCW) Protocol IV prohibits the use and transfer of blinding laser weapons. The protocol was adopted in Vienna in 1995.

From Wikipedia: "The Protocol on Blinding Laser Weapons, Protocol IV of the 1980 Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons, was issued by the United Nations on 13 October 1995.[1] It came into force on 30 July 1998.[1] As of the end of April 2018, the protocol had been agreed to by 109 nations.[1]

The Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons and three annexed protocols were adopted on 10 October 1980 and opened for signature on 10 April 1981.[2] In 1986, Sweden and Switzerland pushed for the Blinding Laser Protocol.[3] During 1989–91, the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) held four international meetings of experts on the topic and in 1993 published Blinding Weapons.[3]"

The text of the Protocol is available in the Wikipedia article at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocol_on_Blinding_Laser_Weapons

See also this 1995 Laser Focus Word article https://www.laserfocusworld.com/las...na-meeting-sets-ban-on-blinding-laser-weapons which states:

"In a stunning reversal of a 22-year-old policy allowing use of laser weaponry on the battlefield, the United States, in response to the intervention of Clinton administration decision-makers at the highest level, joined 43 other nations in approving a ban on blinding laser weapons. The new international protocol was hammered out at a conference held recently in Vienna, Austria, to review the Conventional Weapons Convention, also known as the Inhumane Weapons Convention...

US policy seems more definitive than the terms of the protocol. On October 12 the Department of Defense (DoD) announced that it was canceling the Army's hand-held Laser Countermeasures System (LCMS, see Fig. 1). Little more than a month earlier, after considerable internal debate, the Army had awarded Lockheed-Martin Sanders (Nashua, NH) the initial production contract for what was expected to be a $250 million LCMS program. In announcing the order to terminate the LCMS contract, Kenneth Bacon, spokesman for Secretary of Defense William Perry, said, 'Secretary Perry felt strongly that we should take a lead role . . . by swearing off the development and use of lasers intentionally designed to blind people.'

One of a dozen laser weapon projects and proposals currently active within the defense establishment, LCMS was the first to reach full-scale production. Prototypes of Stingray, a system similar to LCMS for mounting on a Bradley armored vehicle, and Dazer, a hand-held predecessor to LCMS, were deployed with troops in the Gulf War. Neither system was actually used, even though Army lawyers had determined that causing blindness would not preclude the use of lasers as weapons inducing unnecessary suffering. The laser functions of 'dazzling' or producing 'flash' effects were also deemed consistent with US obligations under the laws of war. Military commanders had expressed concern about the dangers and the lack of policy on their use.

Though the end of the Cold War diminished any threat of Soviet directed-energy and tactical laser weapons, the Gulf War provided impetus for a new generation of so-called nonlethal weapons. A rash of new laser rifles emerged: the visible-spectrum battlefield optical munitions of the Saber 203 and Perseus programs operating at 670 nm; the Los Alamos Laboratory (Los Alamos, NM) argon-ion-laser rifle, operating at 500-600 nm; and low-energy systems developed by the Air Force Phillips Laboratory (Kirtland AFB, Albuquerque, NM), some of which generate near-infrared wavelengths (808-980 nm; see Fig. 2). Shorter-range versions of these systems are being considered for civil law enforcement purposes (see Laser Focus World, Sept. 1994, p. 49).

By 1992, the Army, Marine Corps, and US Special Operations Command all had formulated post-Cold-War requirements for small lightweight systems. 'The threat of directed-energy warfare will not go away,' Brigadier General Jack Nix Jr., Assistant Commandant of the Army Infantry School, stated at the fifteenth Annual Lasers on the Modern Battlefield Conference in 1994, a classified gathering of military laser proponents. 'We must continue to develop leap-ahead technologies, such as lasers . . . to ensure that these systems are properly integrated into our force structure . . .' News in early 1995 that China North Industries Corp. (Beijing, China) was openly marketing a 'laser disturber . . . to injure or dizzy the eyes of an enemy combatant' suggested that blinding lasers were about to proliferate."
 
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Scott Kenny, the ban on laser blinding weapons was issued in 1995 and came into force in 1998, long after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991. Both the U.S. and Russia are among the 109 nations (as of April 2018) that have agreed to the Protocol on Blinding Laser Weapons issued in 1995.
Correct, but the discussions to have said ban started in the mind 1980s.
 
Correct, but the discussions to have said ban started in the mind 1980s.
Yes, but those discussions were started in 1986 because of the efforts of Sweden, Switzerland and the International Red Cross, not the U.S. nor the Soviet Union, both of which initially opposed the ban.

It wasn't until 1994, that the government experts from Russia, as well as from eleven other countries, out of the thirteen that spoke at the third of four meetings of the Group of Governmental Experts that were held to prepare the Review Conference of the CCW, indicated their approval of a ban on the use of lasers for the purpose of blinding, but also stressed the importance of adopting wording that protected the normal use of lasers, for range-finding and target designation in particular.

Excerpt from "New Protocol on Blinding Laser Weapons" by Louise Doswald-Beck at https://international-review.icrc.org/sites/default/files/S0020860400089889a.pdf

"The ICRC's attention was first drawn to this issue during the 25th International Conference of the Red Cross held in 1986. The governments of Sweden and Switzerland submitted a draft resolution which would have pronounced the anti-personnel use of laser weapons to be illegal because they would cause unnecessary suffering or superfluous injury.8 This wording was not accepted because of opposition from a few States interested in such weapons; there was little discussion because the vast majority of States were unaware of developments and thought that such weapons were science-fiction.9 In the end the resolution simply appealed to governments to exercise care not to violate standards in international humanitarian law in the development of new weapons.10 Subsequently, the government of Sweden raised the issue at the First Committee of the forty-first and the forty-second sessions of the United Nations General Assembly,11 proposing a prohibition of the anti-personnel use of laser weapons which met with the same indifference as the original proposal before the 25th International Conference of the Red Cross and probably for the same reasons.

After the 25th International Conference the ICRC began to look out for articles in specialized literature to see if there was a development of anti-personnel laser weapons intended to blind. As this indeed seemed to be the case,12 it decided to hold a meeting of experts in 1989 13 to establish whether such weapons were likely to be manufactured on any scale, whether they would indeed blind in most cases of anti-personnel use, whether such use would already be a violation of international humanitarian law and whether a legal regulation was possible or desirable. This meeting turned out to be the first of four as the participants in this meeting recommended that these issues be investigated further.14 The second meeting15 undertook a detailed study of the technical and medical aspects of the use of battlefield laser weapons. The third16 reviewed statistics of injuries suffered in battle, analysed the functional and psychological effects of different types of disabilities and assessed the particular problems that battle-induced blindness was likely to cause. This third meeting was considered necessary because States which were against any regulation of battlefield laser weapons argued that it was better to be blinded than killed and that blindness was no worse than other injuries likely to be sustained on the battlefield.17 The last meeting in April 1991 18 discussed, on the basis of the material gathered in the previous two meetings, whether the anti-personnel use of laser weapons to blind would be already against the law, in particular the rule prohibiting the use of weapons of a nature to cause unnecessary suffering or superfluous injury, and whether for policy reasons it would be appropriate to have a treaty regulation of such weapons. Although there was a division of opinions as to whether such a use of lasers would already be illegal, the vast majority of participants were of the opinion that a specific legal regulation would be advisable and suggested an additional Protocol to the 1980 CCW as being the most sensible course to follow...

ICRC activity encouraging a new Protocol began in earnest when it became clear that there would be a review conference of the CCW. In February 1993 the government of France requested such a conference 28 and in December of the same year, 29 States Parties signed a letter to the same effect, 29 at the same time recommending the preparation of the conference by a Group of Governmental Experts. It should be stressed here that the purpose of the Review Conference was to amend Protocol II on landmines because of the outcry by a number of non-governmental organizations and some political leaders about the effects of antipersonnel landmines.30 Both the letter sent to the UN Secretary-General and the General Assembly resolution 31 made this clear, and it was only as a result of persistent and intensive pressure by the government of Sweden that a possibility for adopting a new protocol was provided for in these documents.32 However, most governments were reluctant to negotiate a treaty on a new weapon and stressed the importance of not diverting attention away from negotiations to amend the landmines Protocol."

17 See, for example, the position of the US Judge Advocate General in "Memorandum of Law: The Use of Lasers as Antipersonnel Weapons", The Army Lawyer, November 1988, p. 4. Reproduced in the report Blinding Weapons: reports of the meetings of experts convened by the International Committee of the Red Cross on Battlefield Laser Weapons 1989-1991, hereinafter Blinding Weapons: reports, ICRC (L. Doswald-Beck, ed.), Geneva, 1993.., pp. 367-371.
 

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