Saab Gripen E/F (Gripen NG)

Ainen said:
Well, F-22 may indeed be immune to technological progress, degrading RCS via external stores and all that, aircraft out of age and time.
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No, it's just that the capabilities the F-22 possesses compared to the Gripen E means there is still a very significant overmatch.
 
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Ozair said:
No, it's just that the capabilities the F-22 possesses compared to the Gripen E means there is still a very significantly overmatch.
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I very much doubt F-22 is somehow resistant to time. The way its modernization goes (sacrificing stealth, supercruise and all external hardpoints to get to...basic capabilities for a modern fighter) shows it is not the case.

And since it isn't, I don't see much reason to treat F-22 as some unique capability any longer. Both can be detected by AWACS and GBADs, both interlinked and can fire under external cueing.
F-22 is much more of a plane, yes. As F-35 thread teaches us, it isn't that important. And as such, in model engagement (i.e. not individual flights of fighters over open Ocean, for example), you may treat both as "fighters".

Nothing outstanding about Gripen here, other than it being perhaps the newest available contestant. Rafale F5 or MLU Eurofighter (latter now having a shot at equal performance) will, in all likelihood, do the same.
 
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Ainen said:
I very much doubt F-22 is somehow resistant to time. The way its modernization goes (sacrificing stealth, supercruise and all external hardpoints to get to...basic capabilities for a modern fighter) shows it is not the case.

And since it isn't, I don't see much reason to treat F-22 as some unique capability any longer. Both can be detected by AWACS and GBADs, both interlinked and can fire under external cueing.
F-22 is much more of a plane, yes. As F-35 thread teaches us, it isn't that important. And as such, in model engagement (i.e. not individual flights of fighters over open Ocean, for example), you may treat both as "fighters".

Nothing outstanding about Gripen here, other than it being perhaps the newest available contestant. Rafale F5 or MLU Eurofighter (latter now having a shot at equal performance) will, in all likelihood, do the same.
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Laughable but no point clogging this thread with more nonsense.
 
Ainen said:
I very much doubt F-22 is somehow resistant to time. The way its modernization goes (sacrificing stealth, supercruise and all external hardpoints to get to...basic capabilities for a modern fighter) shows it is not the case.

And since it isn't, I don't see much reason to treat F-22 as some unique capability any longer. Both can be detected by AWACS and GBADs, both interlinked and can fire under external cueing.
F-22 is much more of a plane, yes. As F-35 thread teaches us, it isn't that important. And as such, in model engagement (i.e. not individual flights of fighters over open Ocean, for example), you may treat both as "fighters".

Nothing outstanding about Gripen here, other than it being perhaps the newest available contestant. Rafale F5 or MLU Eurofighter (latter now having a shot at equal performance) will, in all likelihood, do the same.
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Dont you think F-22 avionics have been updated over the years? I doubt there isnt a classified program to keep them up to date. Its not in US interests to announce upgrades to the F-22s, its the only jet we actually do not sell to any other country, I dont see how it hasnt been modernized. I like the Gripen and think its a good jet with impressive EW capabilities especially the E version but still dont think its more modern than the F22. Thats the best US fighter.
 
slroger said:
Dont you think F-22 avionics have been updated over the years? I doubt there isnt a classified program to keep them up to date.
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There is, we know it.
And to a reasonable degree we know it's scale and problems - lack of internal space, weird programming language&legacy of 1980s architecture, small fleet, lack of challenge, bad adaptability to future theatres.

Raptor is, to this day, a very impressive aircraft, aircraft built for a war it'll never see (unless you give all of them to Ukraine, and even then the world has moved on, it won't be ~2000 alternative Fulda it was born for).

Gripen E, from electronic perspective, is simply a 20 years younger aircraft. Rather unimpressive ancient airframe, sure (even it's much talked STOL/dispersal performance is impressive only in context).
But it's an aircraft born in a world very close to one we live in right now. Where taxi/food delivery app does levels of interconnectivity no legacy equipment can even dream of.
 

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