I don't automatically agree that upper fuselage tanks is the most obvious on the NG design.
Remove the 3 centre-fuselage pylons then add conformal tanks on the underside. I think there is room enough for both fuel and two BVR missiles without becoming too "pregnant" looking. Having the wiring already in place on the belly and I suppose with rail launchers on bay doors.
That way they would remove the need for a external droptank and the need for two underwing missiles.
That actually resembles a rational approach to military spending. Scary.All three main contenders met the requirements put forward by the services. But the Gripen had several advantages, Maurer says, including price, which leaves money left over for other military needs.
That was not what the Swiss were looking for though - their requirement was for a F-5 replacement which would complement the Hornet for an acceptable price. You may argue that this approach is wrong and that they should have been shopping for a combined F/A-18 AND F-5 successor (with a second, later batch of the same type to eventually replace the Hornets), but that's beside the point.flanker said:Stupid decision. Getting a plane that is worse than the existing F-18's. They are replacing F-5's, but still. You would think they would get a plane that was atleast on the level with F-18.
flanker said:Stupid decision. Getting a plane that is worse than the existing F-18's. They are replacing F-5's, but still. You would think they would get a plane that was atleast on the level with F-18.
Swedish Gripen E procurement is tied in with the Swiss order. Without the Swiss order, Gripen E development was likely to be postponed, if started at all.STOCKHOLM — The Swedish Armed Forces will buy 60 JAS 39 Gripen fighter jets, at the top of a 40-60 range stated in an agreement last year, the Swedish government said Jan. 17.
“The first planes will be delivered in 2018. and the system is expected to be fully operational around 2027,” it said in a statement. “It’s an historic decision that will secure Swedish air combat capability for a long time ahead,” Defense Minister Karin Enstroem said in the statement.
RegardsPioneermake sense as it fits with their off-base strategy, shares the F404 engine with their Hornets
Pioneer said:I like to think that the Swiss look and take their defence a lot more serious than most Western European country's.
GTX said:Unfortunately they also have apolitical system that allows for referendums to be called if they receive at least 100,000 signatures requesting. As such their history of acquiring new combat aircraft has been tortuous in recent years.
Swiss voters reject more direct democracy
ZURICH | Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:13pm BST
Swiss voters looked to have rejected on Sunday a bid to force all international treaties to be put to popular referendum, which opponents argued could have hampered foreign policy and caused legal uncertainty.
The vote was called by the Action for an Independent and Neutral Switzerland (AUNS) that is regarded as close to the powerful right-wing Swiss People's Party (SVP), which is an ardent defender of direct democracy.
AUNS wanted voters to have more say over foreign policy, particularly sensitive issues like asylum, but the government and most political parties campaigned against the proposal, fearing it would mean international treaties could be held up.
Official projections showed the proposal was rejected by 75 percent of voters.
Referendums are central to Switzerland's political system of direct democracy and are held several times a year at national, regional and local level on a wide range of topics ranging from working hours to smoking bans.
Despite the vote, international treaties can still be put to a referendum if a group manages to gather 50,000 signatures, as AUNS is now trying to do to stop tax treaties Switzerland recently signed with Germany, Britain and Austria.
(Reporting by Emma Thomasson; Editing by Janet Lawrence)
Switzerland is not the first country that jumps to *my* mind in this matter.GTX said:I am sure that there is no easy way to say this and I know I will be in for criticism: I am not against accountability, but when it becomes too easy for certain groups to cause disruption and thus wield far more influence then is necessarily justified, it allows for the government processes to be effectively hi-jacked.
Arjen said:Switzerland is not the first country that jumps to *my* mind in this matter.
Armaments Program 2012: 22 Saab Gripen E Combat Aircraft
(Source: Swiss Ministry of Defence, Civil Defence and Sports; issued Jan. 18, 2013)
(Issued in French only; unofficial translation by defense-aerospace.com)
As part of Armaments Program 2012, the Federal Council has asked Parliament to approve the acquisition of 22 Gripen E combat aircraft for a total cost of 3.126 billion francs.
These aircraft are to replace the air force’s obsolete F-5E Tiger fighters.
Along with the air force’s 33 F/A-18 Hornets, Gripen will help to ensure the monitoring and defence of Swiss airspace. A special fund (Gripen Fund) will be set up to finance this acquisition. Its creation is based on a federal law (Gripen Fund Act) which may be subject to an optional referendum.
Gripen meets the requirements set by the armed forces, and is significantly cheaper than its competitors. It has the best cost-benefit ratio and the lowest operating costs.
The Federal Council's decision to opt for this aircraft is based on the need to acquire a combat aircraft capable of carrying out its missions, without aiming for maximum performance. This will allow the other components of the armed forces to be financed as necessary.
Gripen Fund Act
The Law on the Gripen Fund will finance the acquisition of these aircraft. The Gripen fund is a special state fund as defined by art. 52 of the Act of 7 October 2005 on the finances of the Confederation (Finance Act, LFC, RS 611.0), and must be funded by allocations under the ceiling on military spending.
These allocations must be spread over ten years to balance the budgetary costs incurred by the armed forces and the federal budget. This will result in greater security in planning other weapons project, and will allow credit balances to be avoided to a large extent.
The Gripen procurement fund will be provided exclusively through the armed forces expenditures, and no additional investment will be required Confederation.
It is expected to make the larger payments at the conclusion of the contract - payments made in 2014 and 2016 - and during deliveries, the latter being provided between 2018 and 2021.
The Fund Act Gripen is the condition for the acquisition offer in the weapons program in 2012. This Act is subject to an optional referendum.
Impact on economic activity in Switzerland
Foreign suppliers undertake to offset 100% of the contract value to the Swiss industry. No obligation, against, from Swiss suppliers, government bodies and suppliers of small acquisitions.
The total volume of offset is currently estimated at around 2.5 billion francs, which corresponds to the economic activity of some 10,000 man-years. This will result in an increase in the know-how and added value to industrial high technological level.
Clearing operations shall be binding upon the Swedish industry to promote Swiss industry business relationships Swiss industry in a sustainable way and even beyond the term of the bonds. They will acquire new markets.
The acquisition of Gripen will also have a positive impact on the regions in which military airfields and military training bases are located.
Replacement of F-5 Tiger will support and maintain jobs in these regions, and even create new ones in the fields of industry, technology and services, as well as in the armed forces.
The Swiss Parliament’s Defense Committee has voted to suspend the purchase of 22 Saab AB (SAABB) Gripen aircraft, asking the government for additional information.
“We are putting the Gripen deal on hold until some important questions are answered and the definitive agreement is available,” Beat Flach, a lawmaker for the Green Liberal party and member of the committee, said on his Twitter Inc. feed today. A spokeswoman for the Defense Ministry confirmed the outcome of the vote, declining to comment further.
Switzerland plans to spend about 3.1 billion Swiss francs ($3.3 billion) on the planes made by Saab, based in Linkoeping south of Stockholm, to replace aging Northrop Grumman Corp. (NOC) F-5 Tigers. Today’s vote is the second parliamentary setback for the acquisition, after the upper house last month failed to approve funding.
The purchase is controversial because it requires spending cuts in other areas, as a balanced budget is enshrined in Switzerland’s constitution. The Gripen deal may also face a national referendum.
European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co. has written a letter to parliament offering to supply Switzerland with Eurofighters for 1.5 billion francs, Blick newspaper reported today, without saying where it got the information. That follows a similar overture by Dassault Aviation SA (AM) in January, according to Sonntagszeitung. Both companies lost to Saab in the initial bidding.
Triton said:Did Switzerland's policy of armed neutrality affect the purchase decision of the Gripen?