Russian manned moonlander

[T-50]

hello folks i know that there is a prototype of an Russian moonlander some where in Russia
developed for the Russian manned voyage to the moon.
I'm very curious of there were more Russian designs for manned moon or mars lander
best regards T-50

 

[Michel Van]

we had that here
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,6361.0/highlight,l3m.html

you ever visit this site ?
http://www.astronautix.com/

 

[T-50]

Hello folks i was wondering of there are more designs known in the west of Russian moon landers,that didnt make it off the drawning board
best regards T-50

 

[Triton]

Hello folks i was wondering of there are more designs known in the west of Russian moon landers,that didnt make it off the drawning board
best regards T-50

The "Lunar Landers" page at Mark Wade's Encyclopedia Astronautica has a list of lunar lander designs from the UK, US, and USSR.
http://www.astronautix.com/craftfam/lunnders.htm

RussianSpaceWeb by Anatoly Zak also has information about unbuilt Russian lunar landers.
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/index.html

 

[T-50]

thanks triton for this very interesting data
cheers T-50

 

[FutureSpaceTourist]

According to the interesting article at http://jalopnik.com/5657385/rare-look-at-moscows-secret-failed-moon-program (by Matt Hardigree) a built Soviet LK lunar lander (http://www.russianspaceweb.com/lk.html) is sitting inside a lab at the Moscow Aviation institute ...

Some example photos accessible via the article are attached. I really don't know anything about the Soviet lunar programme, but thought others here would!

 

[jstar]

See also: http://www.myspacemuseum.com/lk1.htm

If you can find a copy, Nicolas Johnson wrote "The Soviet Race to the Moon", a good source.

Search for 'Soviet LK'

Joe

 

[flateric]

Energiya-LEK lunar lander factory model in Energiya museum
photos (c) Vadim Lukashevich, www.buran.ru

 

[blackstar]

If you can find a copy, Nicolas Johnson wrote "The Soviet Race to the Moon", a good source.

Very out of date by now. Get Asif Siddiqi's book instead.

 

[Nik]

Astronautix moonlander link update.

The above link at... http://www.astronautix.com/craftfam/lunnders.htm
... is broken. Use...
http://www.astronautix.com/fam/lunnders.htm

FWIW, the 1939 BIS lander is worth a look: Remember, they only had *solid* rockets for the major thrust...

 

[OM]

If you can find a copy, Nicolas Johnson wrote "The Soviet Race to the Moon", a good source.

Very out of date by now. Get Asif Siddiqi's book instead.

...Seconded. Be advised it is a *thick* book, although ISTR hearing the GPO split the book into two volumes. Something about the fact that many of us on ssh informed Asif at the time of publication: if the book falls off of a table and lands on a small child, you can expect the results to be fatal. ;D ;D ;D

 

[FutureSpaceTourist]

Be advised it is a *thick* book, although ISTR hearing the GPO split the book into two volumes.

According to Amazon (.co.uk) the first half of the book is Sputnik and the Soviet Space Challenge (576 pages) and the second half is The Soviet Space Race with Apollo (512 pages). From one of the reviews of the latter:

This is half of a book, not Volume 2. We start at page 517 and proceed to page 1005. Being the second half of the book, it includes the Tables and Appendices (over 100 pages of them) plus the index. The index actually covers the whole book which can be frustrating for those (like me) who only have this half.

 

[OM]

Be advised it is a *thick* book, although ISTR hearing the GPO split the book into two volumes.

According to Amazon (.co.uk) the first half of the book is Sputnik and the Soviet Space Challenge (576 pages) and the second half is The Soviet Space Race with Apollo (512 pages). From one of the reviews of the latter:

This is half of a book, not Volume 2. We start at page 517 and proceed to page 1005. Being the second half of the book, it includes the Tables and Appendices (over 100 pages of them) plus the index. The index actually covers the whole book which can be frustrating for those (like me) who only have this half.

...Splitting the book wasn't Asif's idea, IIRC, but the GPO's. I believe the idea in splitting the book into two halves was to make it easier to read for those who didn't want to lift/move/carry a tome that the two volumes together comprised. The single volume *IS* a dense, heavy tome, and I seriously believe you could use it as a blunt force weapon. Still, it's the most accurate resource on what the Russkies were doing during the Golden Days of the Space Age, and anyone needing such a resource would be wise to acquire a copy.

 

[blackstar]

According to Amazon (.co.uk) the first half of the book is Sputnik and the Soviet Space Challenge (576 pages) and the second half is The Soviet Space Race with Apollo (512 pages). From one of the reviews of the latter

There's the single volume published by NASA. The manuscript was later given to an academic press, which split it into two volumes.

 

[FutureSpaceTourist]

There's the single volume published by NASA. The manuscript was later given to an academic press, which split it into two volumes.

Thanks found it. The single volume is Challenge To Apollo: The Soviet Union and The Space Race, 1945-1974. A PDF version can be downloaded from http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20000088626_2000122281.pdf (although it appears to be over 350 MB ...).

 

[Michel Van]

only 350 Mb ?
my record was 475 MB PDF about Gemini Parasail tests from NTRS

back to Lander

the N1-L3 lander, behind the L3M moonlander (Soviet analog to AAP lunar mission)
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,6361.0.html

 

[blackstar]

Thanks found it. The single volume is

Just go buy the two volumes from the press. Asif doesn't get a cut from that, but nobody is paying attention to how many times you download it from free. But if people buy the books, the press will notice, and NASA will notice, and projects like this will continue to get funded.

And would you rather read a nice book, or look at a crummy pdf?

 

[FutureSpaceTourist]

Just go buy the two volumes from the press.

Actually I have.

 

[Triton]

Does this book also cover the LEK Lunar Expeditionary Complex proposed by Valentin Glushko using Vulkan? Or does it end with the cancellation of the N1 project?

 

[blackstar]

Just go buy the two volumes from the press.

Actually I have.

Good. There is a possibility that NASA might do more Russian-themed stuff. So it helps if they think there is interest.

 

[OM]

only 350 Mb ?
my record was 475 MB PDF about Gemini Parasail tests from NTRS

...Got a link? I'd actually love a copy of that one.

...As for the LK photo, behind that is a basic mockup of the second L3M concept. This is the first time I've seen photographic evidence that Kuznetsov managed to at least construct a mockup; I'd previously been led to believe L3M never got that far. Thanks!

 

[FutureSpaceTourist]

Does this book also cover the LEK Lunar Expeditionary Complex proposed by Valentin Glushko using Vulkan? Or does it end with the cancellation of the N1 project?

From a very quick skim there's just a brief discussion of Glushko's failed attempt to get support for a Zvezda lunar base.

 

[Vahe Demirjian]

This thread should be redirected to "Russian moonlander" because the LK moonlander and other designs for Soviet moonlanders have been covered in that thread.

 

[Orionblamblam]

This thread should be redirected to "Russian moonlander" because the LK moonlander and other designs for Soviet moonlanders have been covered in that thread.

I'm not sure how needed it is to go digging up threads from a decade ago unless you've got something useful to say on the subject.

 

[athpilot]

Don´t know if this is the right place to post it (but this lander is not related to the LEK / Glushko or Tchelomey systems): Anatoly Zak posted a truly amazing article on his website (not too long ago). "The USSR's first known rival to Apollo". It was the 19K space-complex. It´s very interesting. In context to this is the 21K orbital tanker system (also almost unknown until today). "Orbital retanking, orbital refilling: absolutely fundamental" (Elon Musk). Great job by Anatoli.

The USSR's first known rival to Apollo

19K system for L3 project | Story by Anatoly Zak | Editor: Alain Chabot

russianspaceweb.com

The 21K spacecraft: The super-tanker of the Moon Race

21K tanker | Story and art by Anatoly Zak | Editor: Alain Chabot

russianspaceweb.com

 

[Deleted member 4286]

Soviet space tug for LKM lunar lander (1973-1974?)

https://www.russianspaceweb.com/protected/l3m_d2.html

 

[publiusr]

NOVA had a broadcast in the early 1990’s I think it was….with very simple graphics.

Anyone have those? There the Soyuz looked upright.

That episode and one in the very early search for exoplanets were hardly ever replayed…

 

[Dmitry V.]

LKM variants.

 

[Dmitry V.]

LK-2 (LK var. V-IV) and TLK (LK-T)

 

[Dmitry V.]

Ones more LKM

 

[Dmitry V.]

LEK

 

[Michel Van]

thanks for the Picture Dmitry V.