Royal Navy Type 26 Frigate

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With the Future Surface Combatant finally progressing into a more formal design project to become the Type 26 firgate, there have been a number of CGI images and articles appearing in the press recently. This is a 4 year study with the first ships due to start building in 2016 and will form the basis of our replacements for the Type 23 Duke class.

Just wondering if members have seen any further details on this design including line drawing's and CGI images, as would make an interesting model to accompany the CVF and the Type 45. I know that the japanese 'Ships of the World' magazine has a rather nice side view CGI which i haven't seen elsewhere, which would be handy in working out the proportions on the initial design.

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Thorvic said:
Just wondering if members have seen any further details on this design including line drawing's and CGI images, as would make an interesting model to accompany the CVF and the Type 45. I know that the japanese 'Ships of the World' magazine has a rather nice side view CGI which i haven't seen elsewhere, which would be handy in working out the proportions on the initial design.

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If it's in the latest edition of "Ships of the World" I could try and get a photo of it.
 

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This CGI is from BAE website, the notes are mine (sorry, in spanish...). In the same site ('Media' or something like that) you can find other high resolution renders.


This other was posted some time ago in Warship1 forum:


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sorry, in spanish...
No problem ;)

Cañón de 127 mm = 127 mm gun

Silos para missiles crucero = cruise missile silos

¿lanzatorpedos? = torpedo tubes?

lanzaseñuelos = decoy launchers

hangar principal = main hanger

hangar auxiliar (varios UAV) = auxiliary hanger (several UAV)
 

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they're launch tubes for floating "Rubber Duck" type decoys
Thanks. I wasn´t very sure about that stuff.

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http://gb.zinio.com/reader.jsp?issue=416168789&p=34
 

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I found this over at Militaryphotos.net. It's edited excerpts from a video apparently released by BAE systems and is supposed to show the latest incarnation of the Type 26 design. I think it may actually be the Type 27 design, although, I had thought that was on ice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjn9SFNksY4&feature=player_embedded​

Original source: http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=367​
 

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Nope thats the revised Type 26 design as they had a presentation on it early this year, looks like the mission bay has gone from the stern under the flight desk into the side of superstructure as the flight deck is now lower than in earlier concept designs.
 

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I could be wrong, but there doesn't seem to be any sign of a mission bay in this design?
 

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http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/topic/19902/Oto-Melara-and-Babcock-agreement
 

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Two interesting features in these renders, to my eye:

1) The platforms sticking out at the aft end of the hangar are apparently there to give wider arcs of fire for the 30mm guns, which can shoot directly forward now. They could not do so in more conventional midships installations.

2) The anchors are not recessed or concealed, making them rather large RCS reflectors. That seems odd given all the covered openings and surface alignment seen in the superstructure.
 

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TomS said:
Two interesting features in these renders, to my eye:

1) The platforms sticking out at the aft end of the hangar are apparently there to give wider arcs of fire for the 30mm guns, which can shoot directly forward now. They could not do so in more conventional midships installations.

2) The anchors are not recessed or concealed, making them rather large RCS reflectors. That seems odd given all the covered openings and surface alignment seen in the superstructure.
Also not in the bridge wings are a pair of .50 cal HMG & miniguns, coupled with the 30mm guns and Phalanx make for an interesting availability of firepower against close range surface targets.

We'll have to see what happens with the anchors, i suspect its a CGI issue as the bows are enclosed and the anchors are not, thats probably one of the areas to be dealt with in the detailed design.

I would still like to know what those features are atop the funnel, abreast of the exhausts, some have said additional VLS launchers, others some form of filtered intake or exhaust.

Anyway i do like the look of the design, its just a shame it appear it will be 2020 before we see our first one
 

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I haven't seen a picture showing the exhaust stacks from above, but my guess would be either air intakes (gas turbine ships generally have large intake grills somewhere) or hard patches for engine removal (for maintenance).

No one would willingly put VLS right next to the exhausts -- too much stack gas corrosion and heat to deal with.
 

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Putting the intakes on the top of the funnel would cause re-ingestion of exhaust gasses. I'd expect them to be on the front or sides of deckhouses. In embiggened mode the BBC vid shows what look like a second CAMM VLS, which is a previously established feature of T26.


Exhausts show 2 small Diesel and 1 GT forward, 2 diesel aft. This would match with the CODLOG / CODLAG arrangement with a single MT-30 for boost described at a conference last year.


Regarding corrosion and hot gases - I suspect that these will be considered ameliorated by the detailed arrangement and the rarity of actually using the GT. Yes, I fully appreciate that only applies in peacetime.

Mission bay is in the superstructure. This is what we would call a good thing. Mostly.

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The video on the BBC site didn't work for me, but I found what may be the same flyover here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ynInUNTUWI

You're right, there's definitely a CAMM launcher nest up there. So that's three sets of CAMM and one set of larger VLS (ASTER?)

And your comments on air inlets are dead on -- you can see what is probably such an inlet on the deckhouse in the photos.
 

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That's the one - and the Youtube version is HD, thanks.


Larger VLS would be for some strike missile. Something looking like PAAMS-lite used to appear on FSC designs, but vanished in the cost reduction redesigns. For self defence against closing targets firing more CAMM is a valid option, and based on the old papers on the ADSM concept ASTER is pretty dependent on big fat MFR support.


There are some other minor things these views show - less countermeasures than I expected, just launchers for Sea Gnat / Siren and the SSTDS countermeasure projectors amidships.

Note lots of antennas. No integrated mast, at least on FoC.

Regarding anchors - at one point in the HD vid you can see them intersecting with the hull, so I'm pretty sure someone got lazy doing the CGI. I thought there was an align-to-normals function in 3DS?

I still don't understand why the Phalanx model is so bad. There are better ones on Turbosquid. I've got one they could have gratis.


And don't get me started on the lack of anti-aliasing.

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I meant to say Sylver, and yes, those cells much be for strike missiles and maybe anti-ship weapons, since there are no visible SSM launchers shown. (Of course, this would depend on there being any available VLS-compatible anti-ship missiles, which are still conspicuously absent from modern inventories.)
 

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I suspect the current plan WRT anti-ship weapons is to use helicopter launched FASGW(H). IIRC there was an Italian plan for an antiship IIR guided version of Vulcano, but I perhaps econopocalypse may have delayed that somewhat.


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Consensus is that the CGI video shows the following:

Strike length VLS x 24 forward
CAMM VLS x 24 forward and 24 in the funnel structure

An interesting question is what is going on with the space between the two forward CAMM launcher blocks behind the Phalanx.
 

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I'm curious about that CAMM count. It looks to me like the block in the stack is the same size as one of the blocks in the foredeck, just rearranged (twice as long, half as wide).
 

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Fwd blocks are 3*4, aft is 2*24. Arrangement of the strike VLS is "interesting" from a structural perspective.


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Found a much nicer high-res here:



http://www.baesystems.com/image/BAES_090238/type-26-global-combat-ship


As you no doubt meant to say, two sets of 3x4 forward and one set of 2x12 aft for a total of 48 CAMM. Not bad, and possibly enough cells to think about alternative uses. It would be nice if FASGW(H)/ANL came out in a form-factor that could be adapted to a CAMM launch tube, but I think it's unlikely, sadly.
 

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I see you spotted my deliberate mistake, ahem. I agree FASGW(H)-VL is unlikely. A possible option might be to put the seeker on the top of CAMM and just use the existing SVL compatible weapon. I would note that the artwork showing the naval target set includes a speedboat, so I suspect the seeker processing and logic may already have an anti-surface mode, or at least the "hooks" for one in some later tranche.


Only on-line copy I could find was here: http://defesaglobal.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/mbda-camm-mb.jpg


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I have seen a few references to surface mode for CAMM, but it's not much bang for the buck, so to speak. The USN keeps looking at any cheaper missile to stuff into the RAM launcher, probably for the same reason - anti-air missiles just seem to cost significantly more, pound for pound, than anti-surface ones.
 

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Type 26 Global Combat Ship

Source:
http://www.baesystems.com/image/BAES_090239/type-26-global-combat-ship
http://www.baesystems.com/image/BAES_090239/type-26-global-combat-ship
http://ukarmedforcescommentary.blogspot.in/2012/03/type-26-update.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/73614187@N03/7823399504/sizes/o/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/73614187@N03/7823677696/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/73614187@N03/7823684822/in/photostream/
 

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Seems to have evolved again, forward VLS arrangement has been changed and a CIWS put on either beam on amidships deck overhangs- at first glance. Also seems to have had IDS300 decoy launchers installed in front of the bridge with the VLS.
 

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CEA CEAFAR radar, or at least a variant of it with both L and S-band arrays. As one would expect the mast looks very like the ones currently being installed on the ANZAC class (perth currently has it and I believe Arunta is next). Also, note the Oerlikon (now Rheinmetall) 35mm millennium guns mounted fore and aft. Very nice all round.
 

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The gun's changed again - it seems to be a Mk45, rather than the Oto-Melara weapon. The revised CIWS position makes more sense for some operational reasons, and they've fixed those turbulence generating sponsons aft. Interestingly, the mission bay has been rearranged and now, I suspect, wraps around the hangar, with the ship's boat to port rather than starboard. As an aside, I *think* that the old mission bay layout was actually published in Warship Tech. recently as an unspecified example, but I'm not involved with the project so it's a bit of speculation on my part. I could post here later.


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