Ravaud Aero-Hydroplane

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Ravaud's craft was built in 1910 by S. E. Saunders Ltd and launched in January 1911.
Length approx 20 feet.
Information taken from
( from Sea to Air, A E Tagg, R L Wheeler )
( Aeromarine Origins, H F King )
And Flight Archive.

Colin
 

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Very interesting, thanks! I don't think it qualifies for the "Early Aircraft Projects" section though. "Naval projects", possibly?
 
Yes, I think the same debate happened at the time of it's construction........ is it a boat, is it an aeroplane?

Colin
 
weirc said:
Yes, I think the same debate happened at the time of it's construction........ is it a boat, is it an aeroplane?

I'd say a hovercraft could qualify in the "aircraft" category because it does lift off a bit. So does an ekranoplane.
But those hydroplanes (which were quite popular until the late 1920s) were really only the old-time equivalent of a jet-ski, I think. Their pontoons are always in contact with the water, aren't they?
 
I believe that the craft was intended to leave the water but never did, one of the books suggests that it was going to be re-engined with a 100hp Rhone engine instead of the 50hp Rhone as installed but does't confirm this.

I just find it an aesthetically pleasing plane/boat?

Colin
 
weirc said:
I believe that the craft was intended to leave the water but never did

If it was strictly a "hydroplane" (as opposed to "hydroaeroplane") I'm not certain it was meant to do more than skim the water very fast...
Quite a few airplane manufacturers of the 1910s and 1920s also produced such machines on the side, especially in Europe.
Now the fact that it was called an "Aero-Hydroplane" seems to imply that it could do more than that. Possibly so...

weirc said:
I just find it an aesthetically pleasing plane/boat?

Sure is! ;)
 
Ravaud also entered an aeroscaphe in the 1909 Monaco Air Race
seven years ago I was able to find some ten photos and drawings of this aircraft, but now they are lost somewhere in my folders.

Anyway, there are still some photos on the net
and
http://www.zwischengas.com/faksimile/AR-Zeitung-Nr-38-1909-vom-11-Dez-1909-Seite-541/b646a3c9-babf-45b3-bb89-fb0cb8ca237c
I hope more will surface in the next day here

Btw I also had a drawing made by Lubomir Koutny of the 1920 Ravaud.
 

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Thanks for this find.

BTW, the proper spelling in French is "Aéroscaphe", with acute accent on the é. If you google up "Ravaud Aéroscaphe 1909", there are plenty hits, including Bibliothèque Nationale de France's beautiful photo at http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b9019022z.r=
 

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Very nice pic, dan_inbox, thanks!

Given the shape of the float, that contraption had very little chance to take off at all...
I belive it's only after Curtiss made advances in shaping floats that practical seaplanes became possible.
 
Thanks, Dan
I remember that there were also some pics depicting the engine and the steering mechanism in a close-up walk around.
but I've lost trace of them.
In a period publication or two there were also some 3-views, but not very realistic.
 
Here is another photo of the aeroscaphe:
 

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Source:
Эволюцiя гидро≈аэроплана // Аэро и автомобильная жизнь. 1913. № 15. С. 11-12.
 
For what it's worth, Roger Ravaud's aéroscaphe was completed no later than late March 1909 in the Paris region workshops of Lucien Chauvière. This machine was to be one of the competitors in the first Concours d'aéroplanes held in Monaco in early April 1909. This, if nothing else would seem to show that Ravaud believed his invention could fly.

If one is to believe a contemporary description, the aéroscaphe had three sets of five parallel lifting surfaces. The two floats, in turn, had (underwater?) lifting surfaces of their own, to facilitate take off. The Gnome rotary engine, mounted flat behind the pilot, activated a pair of coaxial counterrotating propellers through gears and shafts.

Sadly, the aéroscaphe suffered some sort of accident in Monaco (https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k42217669/f263.item - hoping the link works). Ravaud was therefore unable to show what he hoped his invention was capable of. The accident in question may or may have been related to a brief foray in the harbor of Monaco during which the aéroscaphe almost sank.

By early 1911, Ravaud had supervised the construction of a completely different hydro-aéroplane, the one mentioned at the top of this page, by S.E. Saunders Ltd., in England. This machine was apparently scheduled to take part in the 8th motor boat Meeting de Monaco, in April 1911. If Ravaud and his machine were there at all, they accomplished nothing.
 

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