Norway massacre

[flateric]

Dear forum members from Norway, please take our deepest condolences.


We grieve with you.

 

[Maveric]

My deepest condolences.

 

[Michel Van]

My deepest condolences to family victims

 

[Grey Havoc]

Sorry for your loss.

 

[lancer21]

Dreadful events , i've been shocked to hear about so many peoples killed. My deepest condolences .

 

[Archibald]

This is horrible. Norway is home of many refugees from all around the world, that flee violence in their countries.
Can't believe a single guy killed that much people. The "usual" mass murderer kills 15 or twenty people, not ninety.
Crazy world we live in !

 

[Orionblamblam]

He wrote up a 1600+ page "manifesto," which you can get from here:
http://www.2shared.com/file/M-s-2fBD/2083-AEuropeanDeclarationofInd.html

I've skimmed it; the guy is bugnuts. The weird and really creepy part is the last chunk of it is a log of his efforts to obtain weapons and make explosives, with the last update on July 22. I've not read anything decribing what he chose as a target or why, just that he was planning a "martyrdom operation," and smirking references to a police uniform for a "costume party."

 

[MC72]

Very saddened by the magnitude of the loss of innocent lives.
Hard to believe a single subject, could organize such barbarity
my condolences to the families victims

 

[pathology_doc]

Was the body count really 80-plus? This makes Port Arthur (1996, 34 dead) look like a Sunday picnic. Mind you, imagine what Martin Bryant could have done if he'd started his rampage in downtown Hobart on a busy shopping day. But Bryant was too insane - he was in it to get off on the fear and suffering of his victims, rather than to amass a high body count or fulfil a concrete goal. This Norwegian loony unfortunately still had enough of his wits about him to do the maximum amount of damage.

My condolences to the Norwegians.

 

[blackkite]

What a pity.
My deepest condolences to the Norwegians and Chinese,too.

 

[Nico]

My deepest condolences to family of all victims and to all Norwegian people
Nico

 

[flanker]

Thank you everyone, i am still shocked by the events. :'(

I know someone that lives 4 km away from the area blast happened. He walked by one of the buildings that got affected 10 min before the blast...

Count is at 93 people. Most of them young, many not even 18. Two of them were 7 years old, and was working at Utøya, picking up empty bottles... What a barbaric event. I read some parts of his "book". It is really sickening how he planned it all.

I am 100 % atheist, but i truly hope that for him, hell exists.

 

[Firefly 2]

Our thoughts are with the Norwegian people, Flanker, be assured of that.

 

[Orionblamblam]

I am 100 % atheist...

Breivek may himself have been one. He's been called a "fundamentalist Christian," but if you read his screed, his own definition of "Christian" is really rather bizarre.

 

[Nik]

Ghastly, truly ghastly...


Looks like the perp's an ultra-right-wing, anti-government nut-job, in the Timothy McVeigh mould.


( Those premature claims by a 'Previously Unknown Islamist Group' merely muddied the bloody water...)


My guess is that, based on his dire screed, he'll be formally charged with multiple murder, then deemed 'Unfit To Plead' and locked away for life...


Sadly, Norway has 'Lost Her Innocence'...

 

[Herr Nossink]

That's taken from the Q & A session at the end of his diary:

Q: Are you a religious man, and should science take priority over the teachings of the Bible?

A: My parents, being rather secular wanted to give me the choice in regards to religion. At the age of 15 I chose to be baptised and confirmed in the Norwegian State Church. I consider myself to be 100% Christian. However, I strongly object to the current suicidal path of the Catholic Church but especially the Protestant Church. I support a Church that believes in self defence and who are willing to fight for its principles and values, at least resist the efforts put forth to exterminate it gradually. The Catholic and Protestant Church are both cheering their own annihilation considering the fact that they embrace the ongoing inter-faith dialogue and the appeasement of Islam. The current Church elite has shown its suicidal face, as vividly demonstrated last year by the archbishop of Canterbury's speech contemplating the legitimacy of Shariah in parts of Britain.

I trust that the future leadership of a European cultural conservative hegemony in Europe will ensure that the current Church leadership are replaced and the systems somewhat reformed. We must have a Church leadership who supports a future Crusade with the intention of liberating the Balkans, Anatolia and creating three Christian states in the Middle East. Efforts should be made to facilitate the de-construction of the Protestant Church whose members should convert back to Catholicism. The Protestant Church had an important role once but its original goals have been accomplished and have contributed to reform the Catholic Church as well. Europe should have a united Church lead by a just and non-suicidal Pope who is willing to fight for the security of his subjects, especially in regards to Islamic atrocities.

I fully support that the Church gains more or less monopoly on religion in Europe (government policies, school curriculum etc at least) in addition to granting the Church several concessions which have been taken from them the last decades.

As for the Church and science, it is essential that science takes an undisputed precedence over biblical teachings. Europe has always been the cradle of science and it must always continue to be that way.

Regarding my personal relationship with God, I guess I’m not an excessively religious man. I am first and foremost a man of logic. However, I am a supporter of a monocultural Christian Europe.

 

[Orionblamblam]

Looks like the perp's an ultra-right-wing, anti-government nut-job, in the Timothy McVeigh mould.

He might be "ultra-right-wing" in the European sense, but not in the American. He is in fact a Big Government Nazi by American standards. He's not "anti-government" by any stretch, unless you mean he wants to replace the *current* government with an even bigger one. Some of his goals include:
Nationalizing major corporations
A eugenics program to Improve The Breed
Deport all Muslims (and it looks like Jews, too) from Europe
Ban protestantism in Europe and replace it with the Catholic church (but... he himself is a protestant. Sorta.)
Lower the planetary population to 3 billion

Basically an updated version of Nazi party platforms. How the hell he thought shooting up a bunch of kids would bring this about is something I haven't seen explained.

 

[JFC Fuller]

Looks like the perp's an ultra-right-wing, anti-government nut-job, in the Timothy McVeigh mould.

Having read large tracts of his manifesto I can tell you that that is a gross misrepresentation of his views, and a dangerous one at that, if you cross reference them with other northern-European right wing political movements, including some currently in office, they actually fit in quite well. Indeed if one really wanted to sum it up, it rather seems like Nazism with less of the social darwinism and anti-semitism. At least at an IQ level he seems to be quite intelligent (he is lucid, literate etc), the disconnect has come with his selection of methods. To simply dismiss him as a nut job without placing his views within wider political discourse and opinion would be dangerous indeed.

 

[Herr Nossink]

Where I come from, Germany, a right-winger does not have to identify with the tenets of National Socialism, which are very specific. A person who identifies with them on the other hand is considered an ultra right-winger ex vi termini.

A typical German right-winger could be a socially conservative Christian (f.e. anti-choice, monoculturalism, free-market advocacy, contra gay marriage, etc.). The "ultra", in this case, could be ascribed to this legal entities' means of dealing with regards to its political agenda, i.e. how it wants to achieve its political goals.

 

[Orionblamblam]

Where I come from, Germany, a right-winger does not have to identify with the tenets of National Socialism, which are very specific.

And where I come from, "right winger" has almost the polar opposite meaning that it has in Europe. That's the problem with political labels that are defined differently by different people.

The Nazis are almost indistinguishable from the Commies. The only difference of note is the addition of racism. Where the Nazis wanted to oppress 99% of the worlds population, the Commies were egalitarian, and wanted to equally oppress that full 100%. The Nazis were *slightly* more free economically.

Reading through the manifesto, he's just a flat-out Nazi but with some odd religious twists. Where old-school Nazis thought that Islam was Just Awesome, he's transferred old-school Nazisms hate for Judaism to hate for Islam, including the desire to see Islam banned in Europe. How he expected to achieve that by shooting up some kids, I can't imagine.

I'd expect that we'll see rather more of his ilk in coming decades.

 

[bobbymike]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cSsB_jvk6U&feature=player_embedded#at=607

Interesting video explaining how fascism and communism are on different sides of the same coin.

What is really scary (besides all of it) is listen at about the ten minute mark for George Benard Shaw explain his Marxism, to paraphrase, "We wil ask eack of you to justify your own existence, do you produce and much as you consume [but hopefully more] if not we can't justify KEEPING YOU ALIVE"

How vulgar and repulsive.

 

[Herr Nossink]

And where I come from, "right winger" has almost the polar opposite meaning that it has in Europe.

So you said. Care to elaborate a bit further on this? Take my example of the German Christian if you please. My experience with U.S.-American political nomenclature seems to run adverse to your statement. Shoot me a PM if this smells of thread derailment; I'm really curious.

Where old-school Nazis thought that Islam was Just Awesome [...]

Only as partners in mala tempora. Another fitting example would be the CIA in Soviet-occupied Afghanistan.

I'd expect that we'll see rather more of his ilk in coming decades.

No doubt.

 

[Orionblamblam]

Take my example of the German Christian if you please. My experience with U.S.-American political nomenclature seems to run adverse to your statement.

The short, short form: right wingers in the US want the *smallest* possible government, one that is strictly limited by the Constitution. Beyond that, internal sniping about details (whether or not to have certain religious this-or-that, getting in a snit about homosexuals or drugs, etc.). In the US, the "far Right" would be the Libertarians, who want virtually no government at all, and as much free trade capitalism as humanly possible. But in Europe, the Nazis are considered "far right," and the Nazis wanted HUGE government that served as a massive welfare state (for selcted populations, of course) and had virtually complete control of the economy, including nationalizing many industries. In the US, this sort of government is *left* wing, i.e. "socialist."

The only important difference between Marxism and Nazism is that the Nazis wanted to oppress 99% of humanity for the benefit of 1%, while the Marxists want to oppress 100% of humanity for the benefit of none.

 

[flanker]

Please, don't turn this into a political discussion. Plenty of forums to do that on.

 

[UpForce]

I'm really at a loss for words of true solace; for how and where could I possibly console those who have lost so much? Nevertheless, for what it's worth, my condolences for everyone who have suffered. Our paths may not cross but we walk together.

There's inevitably been talk of politics here - I guess that's understandable because it's one of the most impersonal, idealistic ways to approach a tragedy of overwhelming proportions and eventually come to some sort of terms with it. Especially as the perpetrator sought to so frame the terror, destruction and death he wrought. It is my impression however, that individuals who seek to inflict violence or impose a violent society will accommodate any ideology, belief or even emotion insofar as they can act on their impulse; be it personally or by a proxy.

Our World now has a tradition, a template or a "meme" for individuals seeking to cause indiscriminate mass casualties as a form of self expression. It cuts through practically every culture, race, political affiliation and religion. It is a severe and demanding test of our humanity to turn this tide; lost life and love cannot be reimbursed. Additional fear, restrictiveness and retribution amount to nothing in themselves.

I won't resort to some lame exhortation here for "everyone to face up to everything and turn it all for the better", if only because even though idealism can be a postive force, for now such blanket statements remind me of how such things can be perverted in deadly hubris. Also because with all that remains right and good in the World I recognize that I cannot just wish all the loss, sadness and mourning away. Again, my condolences.

 

[Orionblamblam]

It's important to at least try to understand why people do the things they do. The Jared Loughner shootings in Arizona a few months back were pure unadultered schizophrenia; the shootings in Norway seem to be purely political... but the politics themselves are nutty. Consequently, it's important to try to understand the politics behind them, and confusion regarding basic terminology does not help.

However, in this case "Nazi" seems to be just about the best description of the politics behind the event. It's not a political smear in this case, but an attempt at basic understanding.

 

[F-14D]

This horrible occurrence is not something that should drift into politics here. I have a question, though, that is relevant to aviation:

Reports are that the police did not arrive on the island until 90 minutes after the calls came in for help. The reasons given were that their helicopter wasn't on standby and they didn't have a procedure in place to make it available in a timely manner. This was followed by an effort to find a boat that they could use to get out there. By the time they finally showed up, it was pretty much over.

Meanwhile press helicopters reportedly had been over the island taking video of the carnage. My question is, why didn't some of those press 'copters fly back to the mainland and transport the police out which might have saved lives?

I guess the Norwegian press takes its cue from American TV news. :'(

 

[Avimimus]

It's important to at least try to understand why people do the things they do. The Jared Loughner shootings in Arizona a few months back were pure unadultered schizophrenia; the shootings in Norway seem to be purely political... but the politics themselves are nutty. Consequently, it's important to try to understand the politics behind them, and confusion regarding basic terminology does not help.

However, in this case "Nazi" seems to be just about the best description of the politics behind the event. It's not a political smear in this case, but an attempt at basic understanding.

I agree for once.

I am deeply shocked.

The left tends to attract its fair share of nuts - but the fuzziness means that they tend to be a little less black and white in their viewpoints (so a bit less prone to violence). In other words, I don't hold this against the right wing particularly. But, I feel personally threatened (as I certainly tend to support more of the viewpoints of the party attacked than of the attacker).

I wish there was something that could be done for Norway. Certainly, it isn't as simple as going into Afghanistan. Can anyone think of a response?

Thanks guys,

 

[Orionblamblam]

Reports are that the police did not arrive on the island until 90 minutes after the calls came in for help.

Hardly surprising... the police were just a little busy just then, dealing with the Oslo bombing.

From a tactical standpoint, this was well thought out. From a strategic standpoint, it was grade-A bugnuts.

And it's rare for press *anywhere* to try and do anything helpful, especially if it puts 'em at risk.

 

[Orionblamblam]

I feel personally threatened

By who?

I wish there was something that could be done for Norway. Certainly, it isn't as simple as going into Afghanistan. Can anyone think of a response?

??? This was a one-man operation, and they caught that one man. Apart from employing a time machine to go back and "correct" events, there's nothing more that can be done except to heal the injured and bury the dead. I have no doubt, though, that Norway is due for a whole bunch of new laws.

 

[F-14D]

Reports are that the police did not arrive on the island until 90 minutes after the calls came in for help.

Hardly surprising... the police were just a little busy just then, dealing with the Oslo bombing.

From a tactical standpoint, this was well thought out. From a strategic standpoint, it was grade-A bugnuts.

And it's rare for press *anywhere* to try and do anything helpful, especially if it puts 'em at risk.

From what I've seen, there were sufficient police resources, other units were responding to Oslo. The thing was, they didn't have a way to get to the island. I agree with your last sentence.

 

[Orionblamblam]

From what I've seen, there were sufficient police resources, other units were responding to Oslo. The thing was, they didn't have a way to get to the island.

Pure guesswork: When the news hit about the carbomb, not only did cops leap into action... but so did everyone with access to a phone. Anyone suspicious looking got a dime dropped on 'em, and even cops who weren't directly working the bombing got busy dealing with the sudden increase in general chaos. Calls start coming in from the island... and got dealt with In Due Time.

On September 11, I was working near San Jose, CA. The other side of the continent from the action. Yet, the local news included a truck bomb in San Jose, a shooter on the Golden Gate Bridge and an oil tanker exploded, burning and sinking in Discovery Bay. None of it happened. But the rumors started (some of the bomb/gun rumors were due to trucks backfiring, and I believe a panel truck simply broke down on the bridge - bad timing!), hit the news, and all of a sudden cops who had nothing to do WRT New York or D.C. found themselves really, really busy.

The western world has found itself surprisingly fortunate that the terrorists that have struck have *tended* to be tactical morons. Breivik, sadly, was not. A diversionary bombing allowed him to do even more horrific acts.

 

[F-14D]

From what I've seen, there were sufficient police resources, other units were responding to Oslo. The thing was, they didn't have a way to get to the island.

Pure guesswork: When the news hit about the carbomb, not only did cops leap into action... but so did everyone with access to a phone. Anyone suspicious looking got a dime dropped on 'em, and even cops who weren't directly working the bombing got busy dealing with the sudden increase in general chaos. Calls start coming in from the island... and got dealt with In Due Time.

On September 11, I was working near San Jose, CA. The other side of the continent from the action. Yet, the local news included a truck bomb in San Jose, a shooter on the Golden Gate Bridge and an oil tanker exploded, burning and sinking in Discovery Bay. None of it happened. But the rumors started (some of the bomb/gun rumors were due to trucks backfiring, and I believe a panel truck simply broke down on the bridge - bad timing!), hit the news, and all of a sudden cops who had nothing to do WRT New York or D.C. found themselves really, really busy.

The western world has found itself surprisingly fortunate that the terrorists that have struck have *tended* to be tactical morons. Breivik, sadly, was not. A diversionary bombing allowed him to do even more horrific acts.

From what I've seen, there were sufficient police resources, other units were responding to Oslo. The thing was, they didn't have a way to get to the island.

Pure guesswork: When the news hit about the carbomb, not only did cops leap into action... but so did everyone with access to a phone. Anyone suspicious looking got a dime dropped on 'em, and even cops who weren't directly working the bombing got busy dealing with the sudden increase in general chaos. Calls start coming in from the island... and got dealt with In Due Time.

On September 11, I was working near San Jose, CA. The other side of the continent from the action. Yet, the local news included a truck bomb in San Jose, a shooter on the Golden Gate Bridge and an oil tanker exploded, burning and sinking in Discovery Bay. None of it happened. But the rumors started (some of the bomb/gun rumors were due to trucks backfiring, and I believe a panel truck simply broke down on the bridge - bad timing!), hit the news, and all of a sudden cops who had nothing to do WRT New York or D.C. found themselves really, really busy.

The western world has found itself surprisingly fortunate that the terrorists that have struck have *tended* to be tactical morons. Breivik, sadly, was not. A diversionary bombing allowed him to do even more horrific acts.

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1029482--norway-police-arrived-90-minutes-after-gunman-fired-at-youth-on-island

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/europe/norwegian-man-charged-in-attacks-as-police-search-for-more-victims/article2107535/

etc.

No one is saying that the police did nothing, just that they couldn't get to the island and there were press choppers around that could have gotten them there.

In your San Jose example, you'll note that the local police responded to threats, real or imagined, in their area; what was going on 3,000 miles away didn't stop them form doing their duty. In Norway, they tired to respond, they just didn't have the resources to get there. My whole question was, why didn't the press 'copters in the area ferry some of the police over--lives might have been saved.

You put your finger on it in your earlier post.

 

[Orionblamblam]

My whole question was, why didn't the press 'copters in the area ferry some of the police over--lives might have been saved.

A video from 1987 showing a panel discussion with journalists such as Mike Wallace and Peter Jennings discussing... well, that it's more important to get the story than to save lives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGg_dpGhlf0

This of course not a universally held opinion. In 1988, a bank robber and murderer led the Denver police on a long chase, several times actually losing the police, but never shaking the news helicopter. In the end, the crew of the news chopper decided that enough was enough, and used their helicopter to block the criminal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XOfroMl_JI

Note that the criminal in question dies in a rather entertaining hail of bullets: they shoot the crap out of him while he's in the truck; pull out the hostage, and then another cop sticks a 12-gauge into the cab of the truck and plugs him one more time, just for good measure.

 

[Nik]

Norway massacre: A UK link ??

News-folk here are all a-buzz over possibility that he got the idea, literally a 'bee in his bonnet', at a covert meeting of like-minded, rabid neo-whatsits in UK about ten years ago, apparently hosted by a 'Richard'...


Much hasty digging in archives for suitable UK candidate, in addition to the 'other two from Norway' who may --Or may not-- have taken their notions beyond swapping extremist tracts...

 

[Avimimus]

I feel personally threatened

By who?

No one really: Extremists perhaps. Hatred perhaps.

I actually come off quite badly: Events like 9/11 are like famines in Africa - we don't really have them where I come from, so they seem far away and 'historical'. Sure, I went on terror alert - but I didn't feel that it was aimed at me. I suppose I should feel ashamed for being so numb when I was younger.

I think part of it is that it is targeted at some concept of 'multiculturalism'. I don't think I mentioned it before, but my family is from an Aboriginal community. So any form of nationalist thought that doesn't tolerate minorities seems like a real and present threat.

I wish there was something that could be done for Norway. Certainly, it isn't as simple as going into Afghanistan. Can anyone think of a response?

??? This was a one-man operation, and they caught that one man. Apart from employing a time machine to go back and "correct" events, there's nothing more that can be done except to heal the injured and bury the dead. I have no doubt, though, that Norway is due for a whole bunch of new laws.


I was thinking something symbolic. I guess one wishes to help the healing in some way.

I feel like there should be something done to help heal political/ideological rifts before they get great enough that a man such as this feels he will get political sympathy (and he is aiming for an audience as much as 'revenge').

Thanks for hearing me out,

 

[blue max]

my deepest condolences at all people from Norway
Same days is spent from this horrible day,,and all we know who is the killer and the reasons ( mad / crazy reasons).
I hope in a future large cooperation with all the police and intelligence services of europe because something like this never do again.
Good night at all

 

[Lauge]

I was staying at a hotel in Amsterdam when the news broke, and I spent a shocked 2 minutes just staring at the TV with BBC News thinking "No way. It's gotta be a typo. Or some error in reporting". But no.

Just as every other right-minded person in the world, my thoughts and sympathy go to the families of the victims, and to the people of Norway.

As for the efforts of the Norwegian police, according to the what the Danish press is euphemistically calling the "incident timeline", the time from the alert to the police that something was going on until the perpetrator was under arrest was only a little over 1 hour. Considering the diversionary bomb attack and the fact that it was an island of the coast, doing better would be difficult.

I am myself not a religious person, but I still feel like quoting the Bible, Peter 5:8, which seems to offer some advice for the future: "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour".

Regards & all,

Thomas L. Nielsen
Luxembourg (expat Dane)

 

[foiling]

First & foremost, my heart goes out to all the people who have been hurt by this, most especially of course Norwegians. Once again, I too found myself 'glued to the box' for hours or days as I was for 9/11, for the London underground bombings, and, above all, the hostage drama at the school in Chechen, which still sickens me. while all life is scared and fragile to me, there is something additionally saddening to contemplate so many young lives taken, so many innocents, and so many futures snuffed out. I have followed the various discussions with some interest, although political philosophy - like so very many other disciplines, is not something I know well. [Orionblamblam, I found your viewpoint, amongst others, especially reasonable.] I am a deeply committed Christian; ironically, I described myself on Facebook as a Christian fundamentalist. After this tragedy in Norway, and also due to some angry accusations fired by a FB friend, I took a second look at what it means to be a 'Christian fundamentalist'. I do not wish to lead this topic astray, nor set a match to any particularly heated argument - though I would gladly justify any of my beliefs - but, I gave in to the temptation to 'put in my 5 cents worth' and say that Xtian fundamentalism should not be identified with this kind of cruel & sadisitc massacre. The beliefs regarded as 'fundamental' are quite typical of almost ALL Christians of each & every denomination, eg that Jesus is God, the virgin birth, that he died for our sins, etc. You may not agree with any of these but they are basic Christian doctrine & hence fundamental. However, my main desire is to emphasise that if a Christian's life, beliefs and actions are not based on love for God and love for all human beings, their faith is questionable, irrational or a lie. [The history of 'Fundamentalism' as used especially in the USA (& often derisively) is a long and quite interesting story 'for another time'.]

 

[bobbymike]

First & foremost, my heart goes out to all the people who have been hurt by this, most especially of course Norwegians. Once again, I too found myself 'glued to the box' for hours or days as I was for 9/11, for the London underground bombings, and, above all, the hostage drama at the school in Chechen, which still sickens me. while all life is scared and fragile to me, there is something additionally saddening to contemplate so many young lives taken, so many innocents, and so many futures snuffed out. I have followed the various discussions with some interest, although political philosophy - like so very many other disciplines, is not something I know well. [Orionblamblam, I found your viewpoint, amongst others, especially reasonable.] I am a deeply committed Christian; ironically, I described myself on Facebook as a Christian fundamentalist. After this tragedy in Norway, and also due to some angry accusations fired by a FB friend, I took a second look at what it means to be a 'Christian fundamentalist'. I do not wish to lead this topic astray, nor set a match to any particularly heated argument - though I would gladly justify any of my beliefs - but, I gave in to the temptation to 'put in my 5 cents worth' and say that Xtian fundamentalism should not be identified with this kind of cruel & sadisitc massacre. The beliefs regarded as 'fundamental' are quite typical of almost ALL Christians of each & every denomination, eg that Jesus is God, the virgin birth, that he died for our sins, etc. You may not agree with any of these but they are basic Christian doctrine & hence fundamental. However, my main desire is to emphasise that if a Christian's life, beliefs and actions are not based on love for God and love for all human beings, their faith is questionable, irrational or a lie. [The history of 'Fundamentalism' as used especially in the USA (& often derisively) is a long and quite interesting story 'for another time'.]

Well said and reasonably stated. Many have tried to paint Christian Fundamentalism as now, due to Norway, equal to Islamic Fundamentalism. Of course this is a crock, one commentator put it best when he said that after 9/11 and other Islamic terror attacks large segments of people either outright cheered or justified the terror. In this case there was ONLY condemnation and contempt for the action of this person.