Northrop QSP studies (military and civil)

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I have more designs to scan in, but I was wondering if anyone has seen a three view of this Northrop design? I found one more view (side) of it on the cover a PDF report, but it's very small and I'll have to track it down again.
 

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Here two more pics I have
 

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Thanks, that bottom pic is the one I was talking about that I had seen but didn't have. :) Well, I actually have the top one already and I think the image I posted was just a version of your first one where someone cut out the background.
 

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yeah sorry i forgot the QSST had braced tails/wings i was so focused on the northrop strut braced.
 

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Found these in an old DARPA QSP presentation. Nothing particularly new, but they show some additional information on the Northrop/Raytheon "dual-relevant" concept.
 

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Found a lot interesting stuff here http://www.sonicbooms.org/F5SSBD/F5SSBE_Index.htm
May be quite useful for F-5 model conversion to F-5SSBD.
F-5SSBD initial configuration and cockpit also are here.
 

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Hi,

Here is a new configuration for SST by Northrop from
1998.

http://www.flightglobal.com/PDFArchive/View/1998/1998%20-%203422.html
 

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I have that issue of Flight, there was a whole SST section in that issue with many proposed Japanese designs and supersonic business jets from Dassault and Gulfstream/Sukhoi.
 

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Northrop / Raytheon Aircraft QSP SSBJ study from ca.2000

Status as of December 2000 - "Milestone 1 was completed in"...haven't seen anything more till then
 

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F-5SSBD patent
http://www.google.com/patents/pdf/Aircraft.pdf?id=NvwVAAAAEBAJ&output=pdf&sig=jwGgdgwcCybj2nSD-ZPzgXNZ-7o
 

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Hi,

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/2001/2001%20-%202790.html
 

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flateric said:
Northrop / Raytheon Aircraft QSP SSBJ study from ca.2000

Status as of December 2000 - "Milestone 1 was completed in"...haven't seen anything more till then


Whoah! How fast was that designed for?
 

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Supersonic transport aircraft concept incorporating a natural laminar flow wing and thermal laminar flow control (courtesy of Northrop Grumman and Aeronautical Systems Analysis Division, NASA Langley)
 

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Northrop Quiet Supersonic Platform in FSA-S (Future Strike Aircraft - Supersonic) configuration, from around 2001.
 

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This is FSA concept from 1999. QSP studies were started later and those concepts were quite different in shape from this.
 

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flateric said:
This is FSA concept from 1999. QSP studies were started later and those concepts were quite different in shape from this.
I just copied the description of this design, as published in Air & Space magazine and shown in this post: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,7524.msg67289.html#msg67289 -- See item no.1 in the cover key.

If you have better intel, please do share! Knowing the definitive program designation is always important. Thank you GO!
 

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Concept on your pic attached was first unveiled by NG on September 15, 1999.
Meantime,

"The initial Quiet Supersonic Platform (QSP) constracts were awarded to Northrop Grumman, McDonnell Douglas and Lockheed Martin Corp. on 09 November 2000.

On November 7, 2000, Northrop Grumman Corporation's Integrated Systems Sector (ISS) was awarded a contract by the U.S. Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) for Phase I system integration studies and technology development for the Quiet Supersonic Platform (QSP) program. The one-year contract is worth up to $2.5 million. This win builds upon the results of the future strike aircraft study completed for the Air Force. The future strike aircraft study helped refine requirements for the type of aircraft platform, weapons and technologies for future strike capability. Northrop Grumman will work with government laboratories, universities and other industry participants to explore breakthrough technologies, unconventional design approaches and unique systems solutions."

More info to understand timeline of FSA and QSP is here in Komadina report from 2003
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/apl/noise_emissions/supersonic_aircraft_noise//media/2-Panel2-Komadina-Northrop.pdf
 

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OK thank you. So to clarify, both the illustration and the model (on the cover of Air & Space) represent the USAF FSA-S, but not the QSP, which was later derived from it. Do I understand this correctly? If so, Air & Space has an error in its descriptive legend.
 

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I am becoming more confused than before, perhaps due to lack of alcohol ... Graham Warwick used the illustration of a later variant of FSA-S, but says it's the QSP, when it's not. I also thought it was the QSP, but I was wrong, right? Then Air & Space took the easy way out, by saying it's both ...


In the original FSA-S from September 1999, I believe the wingtips fold down in flight, like on the B-70. I decided to refer to that one as the Noisy Supersonic Platform, to un-confuse myself ...
 

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circle-5 said:
I am becoming more confused than before, perhaps due to lack of alcohol ... Graham Warwick used the illustration of a later variant of FSA-S, but says it's the QSP, when it's not. I also thought it was the QSP, but I was wrong, right? Then Air & Space took the easy way out, by saying it's both ...


In the original FSA-S from September 1999, I believe the wingtips fold down in flight, like on the B-70. I decided to refer to that one as the Noisy Supersonic Platform, to un-confuse myself ...

The plane (FSA-S) shown directly above in Flaterics' post is design number 7 on the Air & Space cover. Aircraft number 1 is a low boom design to meet the FSA-S specification.
 

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No, No.1 is not a low-boom design either.
Here it is http://news.northropgrumman.com/news/releases/northrop-grumman-unveils-concept-for-quiet-supersonic-aircraft

Plus slide from Komadina 2003 QSP powerpoint where No.1 shown as Mach 4.0 FSA or LRSA concept from 'recent and current' USAF studies.
 

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flateric said:
No, No.1 is not a low-boom design either.
Here it is http://news.northropgrumman.com/news/releases/northrop-grumman-unveils-concept-for-quiet-supersonic-aircraft

Plus slide from Komadina 2003 QSP powerpoint where No.1 shown as Mach 4.0 FSA or LRSA concept from 'recent and current' USAF studies.
Do you have the full NG PDF?
 

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http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,604.msg244712.html#msg244712
 

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flateric said:
No, No.1 is not a low-boom design either.
Here it is http://news.northropgrumman.com/news/releases/northrop-grumman-unveils-concept-for-quiet-supersonic-aircraft

Plus slide from Komadina 2003 QSP powerpoint where No.1 shown as Mach 4.0 FSA or LRSA concept from 'recent and current' USAF studies.

That's just one low boom design, they have others. But re-reading the naming convention they used, I would agree that they meant the low boom design in your post. They also have the other low boom design they've shown, that don't use a joined wing, for long range strike as both a UCAV and manned version.
 

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Logically, I just don't see much of boom suppression features of that M4 design, that is what makes me stay with my version, not talking of timeframe of first render appearence.
 

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flateric said:
Logically, I just don't see much of boom suppression features of that M4 design, that is what makes me stay with my version, not talking of timeframe of first render appearence.

Oh, I agree. Unless it flies so high the sonic boom dissipates before reaching the ground. ;)
 
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