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As we know: Fokker Atlantic----General Aviation------North American Aviation....

General Aviation(ex-Fokker) GA-15-----NA-15
General Aviation(ex-Fokker) GA-16-----NA-16

NA-15---------XO-47,observation aircraft
NA-16---------trainer aircraft
NA-17--------- ?
NA-18---------trainer aircraft
NA-19---------basic trainer BT-9,BT-9A
NA-20---------NA-16-2H
NA-21---------high altitude,twin engine bomber---XB-21
NA-22---------BT-9...
NA-23--------BT-9B
NA-24-------- ?
NA-25--------0-47A
NA-26--------BT-9D, BC-1(?)
NA-27--------NA-16-2H
NA-28--------NJ-1
NA-29--------BT-9C,Y1BT-10
NA-30--------Y1BT-10
NA-31--------NA-16-2H or NA-16-4M (?)
NA-32--------NA-16-1A, 1 to Australia
NA-33--------NA-16-2K, 1 to Australia
NA-34--------NA-16-4P, 30 to Argentina
NA-35--------Vega 35
NA-36--------BC-1A
NA-37--------NA-16-4R, 1 To Japan
NA-38--------NA-16-4M, 2 to Sweden
NA-39--------XB-21
NA-40--------pre-B-25 "Mitchell"
 
Ok, Devi, I have the complete NA- series. Do you want I post it? It's long since NAA used project nummerber to denote batch of work, not only "projects" strictly speaking (i.e. a different NA number was assigned to diffeerent batch of series production of the same aircraft)
 
NA-41--------NA-16-4 or NA-16-4C, same as BT-9C, 35 to China
NA-42--------NA-16-2A, same as BT-9C, 2 to Honduras
NA-43--------NA-16-1G, for Brazil (project)
NA-44--------attack/fighter version of BC-1A
NA-45--------NA-16-1GV, same as BC-1, 3 to Venezuela
NA-46--------NA-16-4, same as BT-9C, 12 to Brazilian Navy
NA-47--------NA-16-4RW, same as BT-9, 1 to Japan, KX2A (or KXA2)
NA-48--------NA-16-3C, same as BC-1
NA-49--------NA-16-1E, same as BC-1, 400 to RAF as Harvard Mk.I
NA-50--------fighter, single seat
NA-51--------O-47A
NA-52--------SNJ-1, USN version of BC-1
NA-53--------NA-16-5
NA-54-------- version of BC-1 or BC-2
NA-55--------BC-1A, AT-6
NA-56--------NA-16-4, same as BC-1, but fixed gear, 50 to China
NA-57--------similar to BT-9B, 200 to French L' Armee De L'Air and 30 to de Aeronavale
NA-58--------BT-14
NA-59--------AT-6
NA-60--------O-47A(s/n 38-325, conversion with deeper observer's station)
NA-61--------NA-16-1E, same as BC-1, 30 to RCAF as Harvard Mk.I, ( 3 to Venezuela )(?)
NA-62--------B-25 Mitchell
NA-63--------XB-28
NA-64--------BT-14, 230 NA-64's were ordered by the French L'Armee De L'Air in 1939
NA-65--------SNJ-2
NA-66-------- Harvard Mk.II
NA-67--------XB-28A
NA-68--------P-64
NA-69--------A-27
NA-70--------single engine, two seat, trainer, production version of the NA-35(Vega 35)
(proposal).
 
First batch of the NAA projects list, from NA-159 to the end of the NA-XXX numeration.

Two notes:

First for Devi, note that a couple of dozen of NA numbers were used to designate missiles and space projects

Second for everyone: what WAS the NA-237 ? ??? FBX - Development of USAF Fighter Bomber system.... Any idea of an FBX specification, timeframe 1957-58 ?

Tomorrow second batch

Source Kevin Thompson North American Aircraft 1934-1999 Vol 2 Narkiewichs/Thompson, Highly recommended etc etc etc
 

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I'm not certain, but I suspect NA-382 may have been a much-modified Hercules to use the same lift system as the XFV-12A. I remember seeing it mentioned in the mid-1970s in Av Week.
 
So it must have been a joint NAA-Lockeed project. For the Marines, I suppose.
 
Dear Evan and Skybolt, please look at this ;):

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=103.0

Still too awesome projects are mentioned by Alexis Rocher in Le Fana:

North American NA-382: A VSTOL Hercules Replacement with 4 GE F101

North American NA-431: A VSTOL S-3 Viking replacement
 
This board is becoming rapidly BIG (great has been from the start ;D ) . Probably we have to find a way to categorise in some way the posts. Don't know if the forum sw is able to do this 8)
 
Hi Skybolt.

Many thanks for the information of North American Aviation...

If it is possible please show us from NA-15 and up to NA-158,
I shall be will check up my information and I shall write shortly and clearly.

As I know, firm North American and firm Lockheed together participated in competition QSTOL and AMST (YC-14, YC-15).
 
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and finished :p
 

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By the way,

the NA-380 was Sabreliner 75A,it was developed from 75 with
G.E. CF700-102 turbofans and strengthened tail and engine
mountings,also NA-465 was Sabreliner 65,it was developed
from 60 with new super-critical wing and Garrett TFE-731-3
turbofans.
 
Hallo,
die Scans von der NA/NR-Serie sind nicht schlecht, leider kann man nichts lesen.
Könnte man diese in einer bessern Variante bekommen.

Ich würde mich sehr freuen.
 
Hello,
the Scans from NA/ NR. series are not bad, unfortunately, one can read nothing.
If one could improve this in one get variation.

I would be glad very much.
 
Fishbed said:
Hello,
the Scans from NA/ NR. series are not bad, unfortunately, one can read nothing.
If one could improve this in one get variation.

I would be glad very much.
Dear Fishbed,

After you clicked on on the image, in the lower right corner you will find some crossed arrows (see below): when you click on it, the image will expand to real size, after which it is perfectly readable.
 

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I have just acquired an official NAA document showing engineering hours associated with NAA aircraft. In it I discovered that NA-136 was to be an unknown number of TP-51 airplanes but they were cancelled. -SP
 
Steve Pace said:
I have just acquired an official NAA document showing engineering hours associated with NAA aircraft. In it I discovered that NA-136 was to be an unknown number of TP-51 airplanes but they were cancelled. -SP

Fantastic! Too bad we no longer have a free slot for the early straight wing XP-86... Never got an NA- designator I guess.

Now if you could find us the NA-80 and NA-86... ::)
 
NA-80 simply says proposal starting Sept. 1940 that was cancelled.
NA-86 was for a number of AT-6C RAF airplanes that was cancelled; start date Dec. 1940.
 
Steve Pace said:
NA-80 simply says proposal starting Sept. 1940 that was cancelled.
NA-86 was for a number of AT-6C RAF airplanes that was cancelled; start date Dec. 1940.

Awesome. So now we have NA-16 to NA-354 figured out.

NA-355 and NA-368 still missing for me.
NA-408 to NA-419, NA-421 to NA-423, NA-425 to NA-429 also missing.
Existence of any designation beyond NA-431 (a "Type A" V/STOL proposal) is unknown to me except for "NA-465" (an apparently out-of-sequence charge number for the NA-265-65).
 
Steve Pace said:
I have just acquired an official NAA document showing engineering hours associated with NAA aircraft. In it I discovered that NA-136 was to be an unknown number of TP-51 airplanes but they were cancelled. -SP

I don't know where I got this, much less whether it is correct.
 

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Tailspin Turtle said:
I don't know where I got this, much less whether it is correct.

At the time when the "NA-136" designation was unaccounted for, several people on this forum (me included) suggested that given the date and design progression, it was the perfect candidate for the straight-wing XP-86 proposal (being ideally placed between the NA-134 Fury prototypes and the NA-140 Sabre prototypes). To that purpose, I posted the above picture labeled "NA-136." Unfortunately this scheme has proved wrong, for which I deeply apologize. I will correct said topic accordingly.
 
Here's a scan of document page showing NA-136 as TP-51. -SP
 

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Hi

Are you able to post a full version of this page and the one for NA-95?

Can you provide any more details about the document (name/source) etc?

thanks

Mark
 
Here's page 1 and 2 of 6.
 

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Here's 3 and 4 of six.
 

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5 and 6 of 6. -SP
 

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MarkN said:
Hi

Are you able to post a full version of this page and the one for NA-95?

Can you provide any more details about the document (name/source) etc?

thanks This document was sent to me years ago by Chris Wamsley of North American Rockwell public affairs - I recently found it. -SP

Mark
 
Here's the other halves - pages 1 and 2 of six.
 

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Here's the rest. -SP
 

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Not sure about the XB-70 and the charge number designation. I have found 3 different NA numbers for the Valkyrie so far. 1st dated Dec 1959 specifies "non-refuelled" as NA-239, one from Jun 1960 as NA-267, and Dec 1961 as the NA-278. I'm familiar with the last number but the others i don't know. Anyone know?
 

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Fishbed said:
Hello,
the Scans from NA/ NR. series are not bad, unfortunately, one can read nothing.
If one could improve this in one get variation.

I would be glad very much.
Dear Fishbed,

After you clicked on on the image, in the lower right corner you will find some crossed arrows (see below): when you click on it, the image will expand to real size, after which it is perfectly readable.
sorry that funtion do not work
 
Sorry all, I know and appreciate that many forum members have put in some amazing time and effort into sharing NAA designations, but I'm wondering if anyone can tell me if the rocket-boosted interceptor derivative of the A-5 Vigilante - the 'Retaliator' (c-1959) for the USAF Air Defence Command had a specific 'NA-??? designation please?
Also, does anyone know what the principle armament of the 'Retaliator' was to be??

Regards
Pioneer
 
From, T-6 A Pictorial Record of the Harvard, Texan and Wirraway,

the T-6 variants.
 

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Anyone have any information and/or images on the NA-400? I first saw it on the Wikipedia page for North American Aviation, which described it as a naval strike attack project for the US Navy.
 

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