CLEARANCE: Above Top Secret
- Apr 2, 2006
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Damn, it's out of stock already
Anything useful in it?flateric said:Got it today. Have nothing personal against Bill Holder, but must inform you that the book is rather <censored>
This rumour is not new at all. But I would dismiss any new book, which (a) states it as a "fact" (or even as "probable") and (b) doesn't provide first-hand evidence for it, as unreliable when it comes to designations :-\ (*). That said, and having looked at the book's table of contents, I'm not sure if I really want to know what Holder has to say about things like YF-112/116, F-121, F-19 and F9U :.Skybolt said:Some strange news, like that McDonnell proposed to designate the interceptro version of F-101 ad F-109,
Thanks for the note. Now that you mention it, I remember that Bill Holder asked me for permission to use material from my article about the YF-11x designations. Unfortunately, he ignored my advice not to include the "YF-116" and "F-121", which I list as vague and unreliable rumors :.flateric said:Andreas - just in case you don't know, you are acknowledged for designations info used in this book)))
... which is less information (significantly so in the case of "F-19") than is available for free from reliable ( ) sources on the web ;D. I wonder why the fact that the official DOD paperwork for the allocation of the F-20 designator explicitly explains (albeit with a somewhat strange rationale) why F-19 was skipped, is not mentioned at all :-\ .Following is a wealth of new information that USD 49,95 pricetag book provides of misterious YFs and F-19...
I'd call it more a poor job of writing than anything else. "Fully fueled" normally doesn't affect aircraft length and wingspan, but if an fully fueled one is left sitting in the sun, it certainly can. They found that out with one of the ZELL F-100s that was left sitting on the launcher most of the day, the shift in cg was sufficient - and the booster thrust has to be through the cg for a stable launch - that the pilot had a "sporting" time controling things during the launch.flateric said:Never thought that being 'fully fueled' can affect a/c lenght and wingspan any way (not the case with rockets, though).
Uh, actually this one of the few Holder got right...This rumour is not new at all. But I would dismiss any new book, which (a) states it as a "fact" (or even as "probable") and (b) doesn't provide first-hand evidence for it, as unreliable when it comes to designations Undecided (*). That said, and having looked at the book's table of contents, I'm not sure if I really want to know what Holder has to say about things like YF-112/116, F-121, F-19 and F9U Roll Eyes.
(*)There is no first-hand evidence to support this claim, and several facts which make it look very unlikely.
Well, actually there are things: an alternate F-107 configuration drawing (artist impression) with a chin intake; the first version of the Bell D-188; a couple of wind-tunnel models of the microfighter project. Some mistakes are rather comical, like the alleged Lancer early mock-up which is really the XF-90 one.... :Anything useful in it?
Now this is a real surprise! I'd be very much interested in this Standard Aircraft Characteristics sheet, especially its date. When the F-101B designation was assigned (May 1955), the next new F-series number was 108 (which was assigned in June 1957). USAF nomenclature records of the time do not show any "interim" F-109 designation, even though they do list such oddities as the interim XF-106 (became XF-84H) and XF-104 (became XF-98A) designations.Skybolt said:Uh, actually this one of the few Holder got right...
He reproduces a standard aircraft characteristics document by the Air Force with the F-109 designation for the Voodoo interceptor version... When my £$%(=?! scanner restrts working, I'll post the relevant pages... (70-71)