• Hi Guest! Forum rules have been updated. All users please read here.

New Books

Antonio

ACCESS: Top Secret
Staff member
Senior Member
Joined
Jan 22, 2006
Messages
3,515
Reaction score
246
It seems that Editions Lariviere has added Avions Northrop to its Minidocavia series. Several unknown unbuilt designs would have been added. I have send them an email looking for info.
 

elmayerle

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Jan 8, 2006
Messages
1,367
Reaction score
133
Please share this info when you get it. What other books do they have in this series?
 

Antonio

ACCESS: Top Secret
Staff member
Senior Member
Joined
Jan 22, 2006
Messages
3,515
Reaction score
246
By the moment, I have US Naval Fighters and it is a very nice mini book.

Unbuilt projects included are:

Grumman XF9F-1
Vought V-346C
Douglas D-571
Douglas D-592
Douglas F3D-3
Grumman XF12F
Grumman Type 97
Douglas F6D
Douglas D-790
Lockheed CL-520
McDonnell Douglas Type 225
Grumman Type 607
 

Andreas Parsch

ACCESS: Secret
Joined
Mar 2, 2006
Messages
246
Reaction score
10
pometablava said:
It seems that Editions Lariviere has added Avions Northrop to its Minidocavia series. Several unknown unbuilt designs would have been added. I have send them an email looking for info.

I bought a copy of the book. It's 128 pages paperback, and covers all Northrop aircraft from the beginning of Jack Nothrop's career in 1918 until the present day Northrop-Grumman company. Quite a few unbuilt projects are also included. The amount of text for each type is relatively limited - not surprising, if you consider the large scope and small size of the volume. To give you an impression about how deeply any unbuilt projects are covered, here os a scan (in extremely low quality, to avoid copyright violation troubles ;) ) of the sections about the N-167 and N-176 projects.

I also scanned the N-1 to -160 project listing, which is interesting to number addicts like me :).

I don't know any other readily available book about Northrop aircraft, which includes so many unbuilt projects, and so I think it's a valuable addition to my bookshelf. For me, the language is a slight problem :-\, because I had my last French lesson 25 years ago, and absolutely zero practice since then. But this book is a good opportunity to refresh long-lost memories :).
 

Attachments

  • northrop1.jpg
    northrop1.jpg
    55.9 KB · Views: 248
  • northrop2.jpg
    northrop2.jpg
    55.4 KB · Views: 224
  • northrop3.jpg
    northrop3.jpg
    61 KB · Views: 218
  • northrop.jpg
    northrop.jpg
    116 KB · Views: 382

Andreas Parsch

ACCESS: Secret
Joined
Mar 2, 2006
Messages
246
Reaction score
10
Orionblamblam said:
I bought a copy of the book.

How, my I ask?

French "Amazon" (www.amazon.fr).

The layout of the site is identical to the amazon.com or amazon.co.uk sites, so you if you have used Amazon before you should have no problems even if you don't speak French.
 

Antonio

ACCESS: Top Secret
Staff member
Senior Member
Joined
Jan 22, 2006
Messages
3,515
Reaction score
246
I also recommend the MiniDocavia Vol.22 about Messerschmitt. A lot of information in a nice edited format for only 21 euro!

http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/2848901136/qid=1152276890/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_8_3/402-6349331-0576907
 

elmayerle

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Jan 8, 2006
Messages
1,367
Reaction score
133
Unfortunately, some of the older ones, such as the ones on US Navy fighters and other related ones come up "Actuellement indisponible" on Amazon.fr . Any suggestions as to other sources to purchase these books?
 

Tophe

ACCESS: Top Secret
Joined
Feb 18, 2006
Messages
1,149
Reaction score
39
Website
cmeunier.chez-alice.fr
The French http://www.chapitre.fr/ (specialist of rare/second-hand) may help: 4 MiniDocavia today, including Northrop and Messerschmitt...
Good luck. :D
 

elmayerle

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Jan 8, 2006
Messages
1,367
Reaction score
133
Tophe said:
The French http://www.chapitre.fr/ (specialist of rare/second-hand) may help: 4 MiniDocavia today, including Northrop and Messerschmitt...
Good luck. :D

Thank you kindly, I'll keep an eye out for the currently unavailable ones that I'm looking for. All those currently listed aren't that much below what Amazon.fr lists as the price.
 

lark

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Feb 17, 2006
Messages
1,806
Reaction score
77
Docavia Mini-doc

U.S.Navy Fighters...

see : http://www.livre-aviation.com/Mini_Docavia-c1800-1805.html

only 9 - Eu.

Good Luck.
 

Antonio

ACCESS: Top Secret
Staff member
Senior Member
Joined
Jan 22, 2006
Messages
3,515
Reaction score
246
MiniDocavia Nº21 (Northrop) is at my desk. It's greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeat ::). I also purchased a one year subscription to Le Fana.

I hope Editions Lariviere could start a full series of manufacturer monografics.
 

Skybolt

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 14, 2006
Messages
2,300
Reaction score
130
I hope Editions Lariviere could start a full series of manufacturer monografics.

They do. In the larger (heavier, pricier) Docavia series they run Lockeed, Grumman and Vought. I own the last two, not so much on unbuilt projects but very in-deep coverage on built types and in the Vought one a full list of projects numbers. In the MiniDocavia Northrop, the list ends with project N-160...., but there was REAL stuff a few numbers later... N-184 and N-191!!!!
BTW, definitively Edition Lariviere has privileged coverage of manufacturers with products with strong links with France: Lockeed (Connies); Grumman (and by extension Northrop), E-2s; Vought (Crusaders); Messerchmitt, with a mountain of unbuilt projects, guess from which time (Luftwaffe '46 and now Airbus). Hope they'll go further... What about a book on Martin with the projects that we've seen only as a list? Or NA (the same)?

Hopefully
 

Tophe

ACCESS: Top Secret
Joined
Feb 18, 2006
Messages
1,149
Reaction score
39
Website
cmeunier.chez-alice.fr
If you have books about Grumman and Northrop, please could you tell me if there has been illustrated :) (or mentioned :-[) a G-141 and/or a N-141? Thanks...
 

Skybolt

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 14, 2006
Messages
2,300
Reaction score
130
Tophe, nothing in the Northop book: technical fiches jump from N-138 (F-89H) to N-144 (big four engine interceptor). In the project number list N-141 in mentioned as a member of the F-89 family. On the Grumman side, nothing on the G-141 either in the Docavia book nor in the Francillon's one (Putnam). Judging from the sequence, it is placed in the late '50s timeframe.
 

devi

ACCESS: Confidential
Joined
Jul 17, 2006
Messages
118
Reaction score
4
Hallo Skybolt!
You have told, that you have the book " Les Avions Vought ", and there is there one full list of projects numbers and if it is possible, show us this list.
 

Antonio

ACCESS: Top Secret
Staff member
Senior Member
Joined
Jan 22, 2006
Messages
3,515
Reaction score
246
full list of projects numbers

It is the only list available about this subject but It is a very bad list because several projects are not correctly identified.
In fact I think it is a very bad book :mad:
 

devi

ACCESS: Confidential
Joined
Jul 17, 2006
Messages
118
Reaction score
4
bad or good, exact or inexact, all is equally interesting and please show us.
 

Skybolt

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 14, 2006
Messages
2,300
Reaction score
130
Ok, ok, I'm overwhelmed... BUT, you all have to be patient for some days. Now I'm am happily vacationing on the seaside with only a veeeeery slow GPRS connection, and, sourtout, withoiut scanner and Vought's book.... I'll have them on hand for a few hours on Wedneday next week (26th, I think). So be patient and you'll have your list!

Bye all
 

Antonio

ACCESS: Top Secret
Staff member
Senior Member
Joined
Jan 22, 2006
Messages
3,515
Reaction score
246
I'm sorry devi but at this moment I can't attach files because my home DSL doen't works and I think this situation will last until the end of this summer :-[
 

Skybolt

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 14, 2006
Messages
2,300
Reaction score
130
So, Devi, and you all longing for the Vought project list... just wait next Wedsnday night...
 

devi

ACCESS: Confidential
Joined
Jul 17, 2006
Messages
118
Reaction score
4
And now about the Northrop:
N-149-----Reacteur XJ-79,It not the truth.
N-149-----it long range interceptor, scaled down version of N-126, two J79 engines.
 

devi

ACCESS: Confidential
Joined
Jul 17, 2006
Messages
118
Reaction score
4
From the book the American Naval Fighters to me interestingly following projects:
Douglas D-592
Grumman Type 97(G-97)

and one more question:
Competition on a Fighter with the mixed power-plant.
9 manufacturers:
1) Ryan Model 28-----XFR-1 (FR-1 "Fireball")
2) Grumman Type 57(G-57)
3) ? ?
4) ? ?
5) ? ?
6) ? ?
7) ? ?
8) ? ?
9) ? ?
 

Skybolt

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 14, 2006
Messages
2,300
Reaction score
130
Fellows, the Vought project list from the Docavia book is online in the Designation System section. Enjoy, I go to sleep.
 

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
27,076
Reaction score
3,755
Dear Andreas Parsch,

please can you scunner the rest of Northrop aircraft and projects .
 

Andreas Parsch

ACCESS: Secret
Joined
Mar 2, 2006
Messages
246
Reaction score
10
hesham said:
Dear Andreas Parsch,

please can you scunner the rest of Northrop aircraft and projects .

The whole book?! No, sorry, I can't do that. It's copyrighted material, and while I guess it's OK to scan a few pages to illustrate the general scope and look of the book, scanning everything (even in "low quality") is probably not a really good idea.
 

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
27,076
Reaction score
3,755
Dear Devi.

you forget in mixed power-plant competition, the Curtiss model-99 (XF15C-1).
 

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
27,076
Reaction score
3,755
Dear Andreas Parsch,

I don't want you to scunner all the book about Northrop ,but only the pages of series as you send
a three page from it.
 

Andreas Parsch

ACCESS: Secret
Joined
Mar 2, 2006
Messages
246
Reaction score
10
hesham said:
I don't want you to scunner all the book about Northrop ,but only the pages of series as you send
a three page from it.

The Northrop N-series projects cover 54 pages, which is about 40% of the whole book. That's still a rather large portion, IMHO. To put it in a nutshell, I'd scan a few pages about specific projects, but not a whole block of pages, which covers a significant part of the whole work.
 

devi

ACCESS: Confidential
Joined
Jul 17, 2006
Messages
118
Reaction score
4
Dear Andreas.

If is in book Avions Northrop(Minidocavia) about projects Model N-53, N-59, N-60 and N-65 (figures, 3-views dravings and specifications) if it is possible please show us.

If is in the book:
YA-9A-----------------Northrop Model N-3?? (or and P-? or ?)
A-10A---------------Fairchild Republic Model FR-? or FRC-?
 

smurf

ACCESS: Top Secret
Joined
Sep 6, 2006
Messages
549
Reaction score
34
To put it in a nutshell, I'd scan a few pages about specific projects, but not a whole block of pages, which covers a significant part of the whole work.
There are two copyright concessions to stay legal:
a. up to 10% done yourself or for you by a licensed library for your own private and non-commercial use for 'research or private study'
b. small amounts for publication as part of a review. (an extended quote is intended. I guess a page or two at most, scanned)
You could ask for permission to do more for out of print works obtainable from a library. there may be a fee, but its worth asking nicely if you don't want to be a pirate.
Any way, multiple copies are out except with express permission.
 

flateric

ACCESS: Above Top Secret
Staff member
Top Contributor
Senior Member
Joined
Apr 2, 2006
Messages
9,085
Reaction score
982
I got Avions Northrop for about 33 Euro with S&H total from Amazon.fr, that is about 43 bucks...hm, I feel rather disapointed...say I expected more...but may be I wanted too much. Don't expect all N- numbers covered, there are gaps of course, and many model numbers are just have photos without any 3-views. My dissapointment lowered after I went to Amazon.com and found Modland Counties books prices ruined...ordered couple of dozens.
 

flateric

ACCESS: Above Top Secret
Staff member
Top Contributor
Senior Member
Joined
Apr 2, 2006
Messages
9,085
Reaction score
982
Something like this...remembering that Gordon's MIG-31 was around 44 bucks...

1 of Dark Eagles
By: Curtis Peebles
$11.53
1 of Valkyrie: North American's Mach 3 Superbomber
By: Dennis R. Jenkins, et al
$26.37
1 of Skystreak, Skyrocket, & Stiletto: Douglas High-Speed X-Planes
By: Scott Libis
$16.97
1 of X-Planes Photo Scrapbook
By: Dennis R. Jenkins
$16.97
1 of Return-To-Flight Space Shuttle Discovery (Photo Scrapbook)
By: Dennis R Jenkins (Compiler), Jorge R Frank (Compiler)
$11.53
1 of F-117 Nighthawk Stealth Fighter Photo Scrapbook (Photo Scrapbook)
By: Yancy Mailes, Tony R. Landis
$11.53
1 of US Strategic and Defensive Missile Systems 1950-2004
By: Mark Berhow, Chris Taylor (Illustrator)
$11.53
1 of British Secret Projects: Jet Bombers Since 1949 (U.K.)
By: Tony Butler
$32.40
1 of Tupolev Tu-144 (Red Star)
By: Yefim Gordon
$24.39
1 of Mikoyan MiG-31 (Famous Russian Aircraft)
By: Yefim Gordon
$29.67
1 of Virtual LM: A Pictorial Essay of the Engineering and Construction of
the Apollo Lunar Module: Apogee Books Space Series 47 (Apogee Books Space
Series)
By: Scott P. Sullivan
$18.87
1 of Soviet Secret Projects: Fighters Since 1945
By: Tony Buttler
$29.67
1 of Ultimate Fighter: Lockheed Martin F35
By: Bill Sweetman
1 of Attack from the Sea: A History of the U.S. Navy's Seaplane Striking
Force
By: William F. Trimble
1 of Dyna-Soar: Hypersonic Strategic Weapons System: Apogee Books Space
Series 35 (Apogee Books Space Series)
By: Robert Godwin (Editor)
 

TinWing

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Jan 3, 2006
Messages
887
Reaction score
56
boxkite said:
Top or flop? - Is anybody there who can say something about this new book on the BAC 311 wide-body airliner project?

http://www.ianallanpublishing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=50840

Now that is what I call an obscure topic!

Assuming that it had received funding from the Tories, the BAC 311 would suffered from setbacks in the RB.211 program, much like the Lockheed L1011.

Still, any high bypass ratio engined, widebody airliner would have had been prospects than the Concorde.

I can't comment on the viablity of a widebody transport with aft engines. Today it seems like an odd configuration, but it is easy to forget this was an era dominated by aft engined airliners such as the 727, DC-9, Trident, VC-10 and Caravelle - not to mention the BAC One-Eleven.
 

Similar threads

Top