NATO Basic Military Requirements (NBMR)

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Hallo,
it is good field to start serearch about new projects.
in 1954 NATO issue a competition for lightweight strike fighter,all the
members submitted a proposals,such as:
Italy Fiat G-91
France Breguet BR-1001 Taon
Germany Messerschmitt P.1225

can you complete ?.
 

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Regarding this document shown in J.C.Fayer "Vols d'essay", the Folland Gnat, the Avro 727
and the Dassault Mystere XXVI (led to the Etendard VI) were considered.
 

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Thanks Jemiba,

but there were anther projects from other countries as I know,such as
Belgium.
 

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Hi,
during 1960s the NATO wanted a new long range maritime patrol aircraft,
manufacturers from Belgium,France,Canada,Germany,Italy,the Netherlands,
UK and USA submitted proposals.
for example Avro-745 was too big to the task,Nord N----? was too small
to the task,and the competition was won by Breguet Br.1150 Atlantique.


can anyone know the other proposals ?.
 

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Hi,

no one know them !!!
 

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A competitor ro the Dassault Breguet Atlantic, very similar to it, is shown by Cuny, in
the 2nd volume, but without designation .
 

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In the brand-new book „Zeppelins Flieger“ (= Zeppelin’s aircraft) I read today that the Dornier Do P 340 was another competitor for the long range maritime patrol aircraft, but unfortunately I found only a Xerox copy with a model picture in Hans-Jürgen Becker’s “Wasserflugzeuge” (“Die deutsche Luftfahrt” volume 21), so the scan is of poor quality.
 

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Hi,

in NATO requirement NBMR-4 for military transport aircraft which led to
develope Fiat G-222 and Dornier Do-31E,what are the other contenders ?.
 

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Hallo my dears,

if any member know the contenders in that competition please tell us.
 

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NBMR-4 also led to the BAC-222 and the HS.681.
 
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Did they ever build a four engined Br1150? I know there was talk of having jet podded engines fitted to the Atlantic MKIII for the RAF proposal to replace the Nimrod and I have used the SEARCH button to find other links, but to no avail.
 

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Do any of you guys have a illustration of the Germany Messerschmitt P.1225??

Would very much like to see it since I can not find anything about it on the net...
 

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There was sometthing on Interavia. Unfortunately I'll not be able to look at my collections till thye end of the month.. If some other member has accessto Interavia 1960-1964...
 

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By the Way,

the English Electric P.36 was a V/STOL transport and freighter
aircraft for the NATO NMBR.4.

And that makes the contenders for NMBR.4 as following;

Shorts PD.55,Agusta A.118 & A.119,BAC-224,SIAI S.201,Aerfer-2102,
AW.681,EE P.36,Fiat G-222 V/STOL,Avro-783,Bristol-208,DH-129
Dornier Do.31E and Breguet Br.941.
 

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...mmmhhh BAC-224,SIAI S.201,Aerfer-2102 are new for me. If you can please post 3views and technical data...

THANKS :D
 

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hesham said:
... And that makes the contenders for NMBR.4 as following;

Shorts PD.55,Agusta A.118 & A.119,BAC-224,SIAI S.201,Aerfer-2102,
AW.681,EE P.36,Fiat G-222 V/STOL,Avro-783,Bristol-208,DH-129
Dornier Do.31E and Breguet Br.941.
The tilt-wing Canadair CL-62 should be added to that list.
 

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Would anybody happen to comprehensive list of NBMRs and the designs proposed in response to these? While I've seen many references of NBMR-1 and 3 and their influence on certain aircraft, I have been unable to dig up much on the actual requirements themselves. Were these "unofficial" competitions or was there an expectation to achieve some sort of NATO standardization in aircraft?
 

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This book - Friendly rivals: bargaining and burden-shifting in NATO By Wallace J. Thies

seems to have an excellent summary of the process - view on

Google Books
 

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Jemiba said:
Regarding this document shown in J.C.Fayer "Vols d'essay", the Folland Gnat, the Avro 727
and the Dassault Mystere XXVI (led to the Etendard VI) were considered.
I can add the ill-known SIPA S.800
My complete lits, the, is:
Avro Type 727
Breguet Br.1001 Taon
Dassault Etendard XXVI
FIAT G.91
Folland Fo.141 Gnat
SIPA S.800
In the same timeframe, but not directly answering the NBMR-1 there were the:
Aerfer Sagittario II
Bpulton Paul P.111A
Nord-SFECMAS N.1402 Gerfaut
Nord-SFECMAS N.1502 Griffon
Sud-Est SE.212 Durandal
Sud-Est SE.5000 Baroudeur
Sud-Est SO.9000 Trident and probably some others...

Nico S
 

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Sorry, I forget the Messerschmitt entry ( I don't have any information about it).
Could be of interest remember that the others NATO Basic Military Requirements are:
NBMR-2: Maritime Patrol Aircraft, won by Breguet Br.1150 Atlantic
NBMR-3: V/STOL combat aircraft, split in two requirements:
AC.169a for a Mach 2 fighter
AC.169b for a subsonic fighter-bomber (both V/STOL)
NBMR-4: Tactical Transport (V/STOL)
NBMR-22: I don't have exact datas but I think was an evolution of NBMR-4
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