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Quite something to see how small these were. Amazing they did so much with the footprint they had.
It's odd how the Spey didn't figure in the early years of the F1 F2 F3....considering how it did figure in IV offerings and not just to the UK.
Perhaps if there had been a alternative from Bristol? SNECMA did work with them on the M45....
General characteristics
- Type: Afterburning single-shaft turbofan
- Length: 5,070 mm (199.60 in)
- Diameter: 796 mm (31.33 in) inlet
- Dry weight: 1,515 kg (3,340 lb)
General characteristics
- Type: Low bypass turbofan
- Length: 204.9 in (5204.4 mm)
- Diameter: 43.0 in (1092.2 mm)
- Dry weight: 4,093 lb (1856 kg)
I saw one of the Mirages back in November 2019 at Ft. Worth Alliance Airport. Loved seeing it and they now have one in a digital camo scheme. Hope to see more later this year.You can hardly beat 25m$ for 80 planes. Fr président Macron should be urgently capped as the next CEO of Tati (French long time retail store).
Makes me wish I had continued on with my A&P instead of being a straight up welder. Don't live too far from Alliance.I saw one of the Mirages back in November 2019 at Ft. Worth Alliance Airport. Loved seeing it and they now have one in a digital camo scheme. Hope to see more later this year.You can hardly beat 25m$ for 80 planes. Fr président Macron should be urgently capped as the next CEO of Tati (French long time retail store).
Enjoy the Day! Mark
Following on from the A4 French naval thread, I looked through this thread again on the topic of the F1M.
Was the plan to increase wing area, or have a blown wing/flaps system in place?
The AVON was proposed for and tested in the Mirage III and still in production for civilian platforms until 1974, could this have been a suitable engine for the Mirage F1? Its later versions seem to offer significant performance advantages over the ATAR including the 09K50.
ATAR 9K50 | Avon Mk.302 | M53-P2 | |
Diameter | 0.786m (30.9") | 0.907m (35.7") | 0.796m (31.33") |
Length | 6.589m (259.4") | 3.2m (126") | 5.07m (199.6") |
Weight | 1582kg (3488 lb) | 1,310 kg (2,890 lb) | 1,515 kg (3,340 lb) |
Thrust (Dry) | 49.2 kN (11,055 lbf) | 56.5 kN (12,690 lbf) | 64 kN (14,300 lbf) |
Thrust (Wet) | 70.6 kN (15,873 lb) | 72.8 kN (16, 360 lb) | 95 kN (21,384 lbf) |
The AVON was proposed for and tested in the Mirage III and still in production for civilian platforms until 1974, could this have been a suitable engine for the Mirage F1? Its later versions seem to offer significant performance advantages over the ATAR including the 09K50.
Comparison between the two most powerful, production versions of the ATAR and Avon as well as the M53 since it was also on offer:
ATAR 9K50 Avon Mk.302 M53-P2 Diameter 0.786m (30.9") 0.907m (35.7") 0.796m (31.33")Length 6.589m (259.4") 3.2m (126") 5.07m (199.6")Weight 1582kg (3488 lb) 1,310 kg (2,890 lb) 1,515 kg (3,340 lb)Thrust (Dry) 49.2 kN (11,055 lbf) 56.5 kN (12,690 lbf) 64 kN (14,300 lbf) Thrust (Wet) 70.6 kN (15,873 lb) 72.8 kN (16, 360 lb) 95 kN (21,384 lbf)
The AVON was proposed for and tested in the Mirage III and still in production for civilian platforms until 1974, could this have been a suitable engine for the Mirage F1? Its later versions seem to offer significant performance advantages over the ATAR including the 09K50.
The end result of this collaboration (started with Damian but finished with Mark Jones and others) may be seen here:Jemiba said:Working on a collab over on Beyond the Sprues where I am supplying the images for an alternative history.
Merde alors ! Agressors by definition have to fly agressive, with the according risk. Note that the F1 while pretty sane compared to say, F-104G has its quirks - at landing (from memory of my old Air Fan readings).
The press will raise that question of F1 viability ("are they safe"). More market share that way.Merde alors ! Agressors by definition have to fly agressive, with the according risk. Note that the F1 while pretty sane compared to say, F-104G has its quirks - at landing (from memory of my old Air Fan readings).
Seems like this wasn't during aggressor air combat maneuvering (ACM) -- it crashed almost immediately after takeoff and went into the back yard of a residence just outside the perimeter at Nellis AFB.
Between this and the loss of an ATAC Mirage F.1 at Tyndall earlier this year, there are probably going to be some questions about the condition of these surplus F.1s. Neither were lost during ACM; the ATAC aircraft seems to have had a landing gear problem on takeoff and had to make a gear-up landing.