Me 262 - Projects, Pre-Projects And Variants

Hi, I just have a couple questions that I've been wondering about: Looking down to where it talks about "Abfangjaeger III", that is the "Inteceptor II" rocket-powered version correct? Also, is there any idea to where the supposed 8*30mm would fit in the nose (or elsewhere)? In addition, does anyone have more information/pictures regarding the Behelfsnachtjaegers other than the last image I have attached? Trying to make the drawings I have as accurate as possible for SB.

Thanks,
Imperialist :D
 

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Hi Imperialist,

I thin you are right,it looks like a rocket powered version ?,also from Flieger
Revue Extra 40.
 

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Here is early concepts to Me.262.
 

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Is there any reliable source for the "Tachikawa Ki-262" ? A similar case seems to be the "Tachikawa
Ki-162" as a copy of the He 162, but I could only find it on wargaming sites. So I would rather think, that
it was an attempt to make the He 162/Me 262 usable for games in the pacific theatre.
 
Jemiba said:
Is there any reliable source for the "Tachikawa Ki-262" ? A similar case seems to be the "Tachikawa
Ki-162" as a copy of the He 162, but I could only find it on wargaming sites. So I would rather think, that
it was an attempt to make the He 162/Me 262 usable for games in the pacific theatre.

Ok , i suppose that was purely speculative : Tachikawa ki-262 was appeared on manga of Ted Nomura !
 
Hi,

the Me P.1065 artist drawing.

Jet Planes of the Third Reich - The Secret Projects-volume one
 

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Hi,

from a great book about Messerschmitt Me.262,we will find new in this displaying;

Messerschmitt Me-262 Konzepte und Entwicklung
 

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There is also an interesting article about the development of the Messerschmitt Me 292 in the latest February 2017 issue of the German magazine Flugzeug Classic.
Link (German): http://flugzeugclassic.de/ausgabe/02-17-willy-messerschmitts-jet-legende
 
hesham said:
Hi,

from a great book about Messerschmitt Me.262,we will find new in this displaying;

Messerschmitt Me-262 Konzepte und Entwicklung

Following on from Hesham's reply #128. Note these images from the German edition of Me 262 Vol. 1 by J. Richard Smith and Eddie Creek, with caption explaining that this is the straight winged version of the Me 262 free-fall model tested by the DFS at Ainring between November 1943 and March 1944, then see the post that follows.
 

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Images from a Messerschmitt report dated June 13, 1943, on wind tunnel testing of an Me 209 model...
 

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Excellent!!!!

quick clean up
 

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From; Me 262 Schwalbe cz.2 (Monografie Lotnicze 31)
 

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Note drawing No.12;
 

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Also from Le Fana 382.
 

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If I translate it correct, that's what the allies at the end of 1944 thought, that
the Me 262 would look like. So, no project or variant, but an assumption, maybe
based on recce photos.
 
Jemiba said:
If I translate it correct, that's what the allies at the end of 1944 thought, that
the Me 262 would look like. So, no project or variant, but an assumption, maybe
based on recce photos.

OK my dear Jemiba.
 
Back to Dan`s reply #136, what a great find! The report rewrites some literature, dismissing those wind tunnel models as early Me262`s, but also figuring a completely new shape or the Me 209, with shorter wings (as compared to another unknown Me 209?) and what I would dare to ascribe to a "boundary layer" experiment ("Randkappe" in the front cover. This certainly deserves a thread of it`s own.
 
From Warbird Tech Volume 6 and "Jet Planes of the Third Reich" by J. Richard Smith and Eddie J. Creek, Monogram 1982.
 

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Wurger said:
Back to Dan`s reply #136, what a great find! The report rewrites some literature, dismissing those wind tunnel models as early Me262`s, but also figuring a completely new shape or the Me 209, with shorter wings (as compared to another unknown Me 209?) and what I would dare to ascribe to a "boundary layer" experiment ("Randkappe" in the front cover. This certainly deserves a thread of it`s own.

What does Randkappe mean in this instance? I can translate it but my German is nicht so gut.

I know Messerschmitt conducted quite a few experiments with boundary layer control and there was a document he wrote where he mentioned boundary layer control as a viable method for high speed aircraft.

Maybe this case is referencing the radiator splitter though?
 
"Randkappe" is the fairing on the wing tip, or the tip of the fin or elevator.
The caption on the drawing says
"wind tunnel model Me 209, short wing with wing tip fairing for measurement of pressure distribution"

Not sure, that it actually has to do with boundary layer control.
 
It looks so, but still a new shape for an old plane.
 
Some Me.262 variants and Projects,from Messerschmitt Me.262 Crowood Aviation Series
 

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Jemiba said:
"Randkappe" is the fairing on the wing tip, or the tip of the fin or elevator.
The caption on the drawing says
"wind tunnel model Me 209, short wing with wing tip fairing for measurement of pressure distribution"

Not sure, that it actually has to do with boundary layer control.

That makes perfect sense. It looks like they were trying out a 109e and 109f style wingtip with that wind tunnel model.
 
Recent discovery.
 

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Before someone gets confused: That is a twin engined design, just two sketches overlaid.

So, it looks like an HG-II or HG-III study, but without the increased sweep to the tail, and with the engines faired into the underside of the fuselauge rather than embedded in the wing roots? Interesting!
 
Fake , what if or ... ?

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Messerschmitt-Me-262-D-1-R-1-mit-FuG240-1-72-Bird-Models-Umbausatz-conversion/232165313586?hash=item360e218c32:g:1uUAAOSwnKFYRdd0
 

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