• Hi Guest! Forum rules have been updated. All users please read here.

Martin 202 with high wing

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
27,310
Reaction score
4,086
Hi,

From Flightglobal,the Martin Model-202 with high wing.
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1944/1944%20-%202269.html?search=removed+wing+project
 

Attachments

  • Model-202.JPG
    Model-202.JPG
    56.9 KB · Views: 462

Just call me Ray

ACCESS: Top Secret
Joined
Aug 26, 2007
Messages
674
Reaction score
12
Well I don't know about what other people may think, but to me the resemblance to another Martin product is rather striking.
 

Mark Nankivil

ACCESS: Top Secret
Top Contributor
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 13, 2007
Messages
1,664
Reaction score
648
Oh, just a wee bit like a Marauder... ;D

Enjoy the Day! Mark
 

frank

ACCESS: Top Secret
Joined
May 20, 2006
Messages
617
Reaction score
16
ISTR reading a modeling article from some time back about a small Post WWII French airliner that was quite similar to this. I believe the modeler used B-26 wings & engines & other B-26 parts. I can't recall the name of the aircraft, tho. It's also similar to the Douglas DC-5, IMHO.
 

Caravellarella

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Nov 30, 2007
Messages
1,032
Reaction score
213
Dear Frank, the Bréguet 89 Mars/Mercure series looked a bit like this, but with a box-section fuselage and swing-tail for loading. They were the unsuccessful competitors to the S.N.C.A.N N.2500 Noratlas. The Breda-Pittoni BP.471 also looks a bit like this but with an inverted gull wing centre-section......

All best, Terry (Caravellarella).
 

lark

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Feb 17, 2006
Messages
1,807
Reaction score
80
About the 202...

" In September 1944 plans for a 30-passenger Martin Model 202,tentatively named Mercury
were send to the Aircraft Requirements Committee.... with its high "shoulder" wings
the 202-12 version looked rather like a B-26 Marauder,a point noted in the press release"

So far : John Breihan,Stan Piet and Roger Mason in 'Martin Aircraft 1909-1960.Narkiewicz/Thomson.

Mark Nakivil scored a direct hit...
 

Stargazer2006

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 25, 2009
Messages
13,227
Reaction score
540
Very interesting. How does this relate to the "JR2M-1 Mercury" quoted by Pometablava from the Mini Docavia book on Martin? Or to the Model 228 "Twin engine 26-passenger commercial transport"?
 

elmayerle

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Jan 8, 2006
Messages
1,386
Reaction score
164
JR2M "Mercury" was, according to what I saw in the L-M picture archives, a COD version of the AM-1.
 

Stargazer2006

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 25, 2009
Messages
13,227
Reaction score
540
Thanks! Allow me to quote you from another topic: "I do have some data from the LM Aero historical gallery on the JR2M if anyone's interested."

So here I am, I'm definitely interested to know more about this project!
 

frank

ACCESS: Top Secret
Joined
May 20, 2006
Messages
617
Reaction score
16
Me too, if you please. All I think I've seen is a side view drawing of it somewhere. Thanks.


Stargazer2006 said:
Thanks! Allow me to quote you from another topic: "I do have some data from the LM Aero historical gallery on the JR2M if anyone's interested."

So here I am, I'm definitely interested to know more about this project!
 

frank

ACCESS: Top Secret
Joined
May 20, 2006
Messages
617
Reaction score
16
It's also quite similar to the DC-5. Also the Airspeed Ambassador, IIRC.


Caravellarella said:
Dear Frank, the Bréguet 89 Mars/Mercure series looked a bit like this, but with a box-section fuselage and swing-tail for loading. They were the unsuccessful competitors to the S.N.C.A.N N.2500 Noratlas. The Breda-Pittoni BP.471 also looks a bit like this but with an inverted gull wing centre-section......

All best, Terry (Caravellarella).
 

Skybolt

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 14, 2006
Messages
2,300
Reaction score
134
Beebbedee bobbedee boo.... B)
Courtesy of Stan Piet of the GMAM
 

Attachments

  • Model-202-7.gif
    Model-202-7.gif
    114.2 KB · Views: 448

Skybolt

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 14, 2006
Messages
2,300
Reaction score
134
Just one of different variations, one even twin-boomed.
 

elmayerle

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Jan 8, 2006
Messages
1,386
Reaction score
164
Stargazer2006 said:
Thanks! Allow me to quote you from another topic: "I do have some data from the LM Aero historical gallery on the JR2M if anyone's interested."

So here I am, I'm definitely interested to know more about this project!

Unfortunately, that was likely posted while I was still working for Lockheed-Martin. That employement ended a year and a half ago and I don't have access to their photo archives any more. In general, I'd say, from memory, it bears the same resemblance to the single-seat AM-1 that the multi-seat versions of the Skyraider bear to the single-seat versions. Too, if I do have a copy, it's on my home computer and not the laptop I took with me when I took this contract position in Connecticut.

I'm sorry I can't provide more info at this time.
 

Stargazer2006

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 25, 2009
Messages
13,227
Reaction score
540
It's okay, thanks for trying! At least I can now picture a Mauler with a large cockpit like that of the multi-seat Skyraiders...
 

frank

ACCESS: Top Secret
Joined
May 20, 2006
Messages
617
Reaction score
16
IIRC, it still had the single cockpit, but was more along the lines of an AD-4N with seats in the fuselage behind & below the cockpit. ISTR a couple of windows. I'll see if I can find the drawing I have. It may have come from Ginter's book on the Mauler. It definitely wasn't along the lines of an AD-5/A-1E.


elmayerle said:
Stargazer2006 said:
Thanks! Allow me to quote you from another topic: "I do have some data from the LM Aero historical gallery on the JR2M if anyone's interested."

So here I am, I'm definitely interested to know more about this project!

Unfortunately, that was likely posted while I was still working for Lockheed-Martin. That employement ended a year and a half ago and I don't have access to their photo archives any more. In general, I'd say, from memory, it bears the same resemblance to the single-seat AM-1 that the multi-seat versions of the Skyraider bear to the single-seat versions. Too, if I do have a copy, it's on my home computer and not the laptop I took with me when I took this contract position in Connecticut.

I'm sorry I can't provide more info at this time.
 

frank

ACCESS: Top Secret
Joined
May 20, 2006
Messages
617
Reaction score
16
Maybe it's a book on Martin aircraft then. I'll see if I can find it tonight.


Stargazer2006 said:
frank said:
It may have come from Ginter's book on the Mauler.

Nope. Just had a look at Naval Fighters #24 and it's not in there...
 

elmayerle

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Jan 8, 2006
Messages
1,386
Reaction score
164
frank said:
IIRC, it still had the single cockpit, but was more along the lines of an AD-4N with seats in the fuselage behind & below the cockpit. ISTR a couple of windows. I'll see if I can find the drawing I have. It may have come from Ginter's book on the Mauler. It definitely wasn't along the lines of an AD-5/A-1E.

I stand corrected. Then again, it has been a few years and I'm relying solely on memory here. Actually, your description does jibe better with what I can remember of the drawing.
 

frank

ACCESS: Top Secret
Joined
May 20, 2006
Messages
617
Reaction score
16
What about the possibility of several different designs, one including a huge cockpit along the lines of the A-1E? Just because I saw only the version I have a copy of. Somewhere. Probably in storage. I'll try to get there in a few days.


elmayerle said:
frank said:
IIRC, it still had the single cockpit, but was more along the lines of an AD-4N with seats in the fuselage behind & below the cockpit. ISTR a couple of windows. I'll see if I can find the drawing I have. It may have come from Ginter's book on the Mauler. It definitely wasn't along the lines of an AD-5/A-1E.

I stand corrected. Then again, it has been a few years and I'm relying solely on memory here. Actually, your description does jibe better with what I can remember of the drawing.
 

mz

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
May 28, 2007
Messages
676
Reaction score
11
Looking at the profile, how were they going to do the very thick wing's carry through? Some elaborate structure? Otherwise it goes right in the passenger compartment.
Having recently traveled with a Fokker 50 with a clear bump in the cabin ceiling at the high wing's position, it's a clear reason why most airliners are low winged designs...
 

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
27,310
Reaction score
4,086
Hi,

here is a Marin Model-202-12 and a more Info about Model-202-11.

http://archive.aviationweek.com/image/spread/19440807/1/2
http://archive.aviationweek.com/image/spread/19440807/22/2
 

Attachments

  • 1.png
    1.png
    233.1 KB · Views: 435
  • 2.png
    2.png
    161.2 KB · Views: 408

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
27,310
Reaction score
4,086
Hi,

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala/L'Ala%201945%20011-12.pdf
 

Attachments

  • a.png
    a.png
    652.3 KB · Views: 130
Top