- Jun 3, 2011
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This was an air defense system based on the M1 chassis. ISTR it had two 25mm guns and ADATS missiles but I can't find anything on it.
sferrin said:This was an air defense system based on the M1 chassis. ISTR it had two 25mm guns and ADATS missiles but I can't find anything on it.
sferrin said:You sure on the 35mm? The guns on the model look too small to be 35mm. Tiny compared to the 35mm on a Gepard anyway. ???
sferrin said:Not sure if this is the same program or a different interation of the same concept but it appears it at least got to hardware and was called "OTOMATIC".
amsci99 said:Strange that the West never fielded a tracked air defence system less the Gepard when the Soviet Bloc had the ZSU-24 and later the 2S16 Tunguska.
The OTOMATIC it's re-born as Multifunctional Weapons System on turret for Centauro, Dardo or equivalent. The MWS can fire the new guided ammo DART of naval Davide/Strales systemsferrin said:Not sure if this is the same program or a different interation of the same concept but it appears it at least got to hardware and was called "OTOMATIC".
gollevainen said:Is there any images of the cancelled Mauler SAM system, the one that led soviets to developt the OSA (SA-8 Gecko)??
Mercurius Cantabrigiensis said:amsci99 said:Strange that the West never fielded a tracked air defence system less the Gepard when the Soviet Bloc had the ZSU-24 and later the 2S16 Tunguska.
There was the ill-fated US Roland programme in the late 1970s in which the European SAM system was extensively redesigned at subsystem/module level to conform to US engineering practice. The entire project was steadily given the budgetary 'death of a thousand cuts' until only a handful of units were built and issued only the National Guard.
1. Army Programs
a. ROLAND Air Defense Missile System
In 1974 the US selected the French-German designed ROLAND II
air defense missile system instead of developing a new US short range
air defense system. Hughes Aircraft Corporation won the bid for
technology transfer, fabrication and test of the US ROLAND. The
three countries have established a joint control committee to insure
a maximum level of standardization between the European and American
configurations, and Norway plans to purchase the US version. ROLAND
entered into production in Europe in 1977, and a US production decision
will be made in 1978. Unanticipated difficulties in the exchange and
translation of detailed technical information, resulting in some US
timetable delays and cost increases, have now been resolved with data
transfer essentially complete.
The restructured program approved by OSD in December 1976
with total RDTE expenditure is planned at $276 million.
b. Short-Range Air Defense
ROLAND will replace the fair-weather/daylight
CHAPARRAL system in the Corps and rear areas and is required to
counter the increasing night/adverse weather air threat. The
ROLAND RDT&E program consists of a technology transfer and fabrication
effort from Europe (French/German). The program is a
significant U.S. effort to adopt a foreign-developed major weapon
system to U.S. fabrication and will, therefore, have a major impact
on the future success of weapon system cooperation and standardization
with our NATO Allies. The restructured technology transfer,
fabrication and test (TTF&T) program was approved in December 1976
and is proceeding on schedule to a planned production decision in
September 1978. The first two U.S.-produced missiles were successfully
fired from French-built fire units in December 1977. During the
FY 1978 Appropriation Hearings, the Congress directed that $11.4
million in procurement effort be transferred to the RDT&E program
with appropriate adjustments in funds. Total development cost is now
estimated at $276.4 million (previous $265 million plus $11.4 million).
The FY 1979 RDT&E request is $22.7 million, and the procurement
request Is $200.1 million.
THE FY 1979 DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE PROGRAM FOR RESEARCH, DEVELOPMENT, AND ACQUISITION