Italian Triplane Flying Boat Project to ID

[hesham]

What was this ?,I think it was from Italy.

Tag triplano | Varagine - Archivio Storico Fotografico sulla Città di Varazze

Tag triplano

www.varagine.it

 

[hesham]

I think it was from Macchi ?.

 

[archipeppe]

It could be a first iteration of the SIAI S.21 racer designed to participate to the Schneider Trophy:

SIAI S.21 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Schneiderman]

I think it was from Macchi ?.

Yes, the website you posted is called "Historical Photographs from the City of Varesse", and that is where the Macchi factory was located

 

[archipeppe]

"Historical Photographs from the City of Varesse"

Nope, you're mistaking Varazze with Varese (home of Macchi).

This image comes from the Historical Photo Archive of the town of Varazze (near Savona in Liguria region) and not Varese (near Milano in Lombardia region).

 

[fortrena]

If I may, from the looks of it, an Italian company by the name of CIVES (Costruzione Italiana Velivoli e Scuola ---Italian aircraft construction and school), located in Varazze, may have produced a number of SIAI / Savoia Marchetti (S.8?) flying boats during the First World War.

If one is to believe the captions of the photos found at https://www.varagine.it/, the triplane flying boat might have been a CIVES project, or a SIAI project that CIVES was involved with.

https://www.varagine.it/picture.php?/9887/category/176

https://www.varagine.it/picture.php?/9888/category/176

https://www.varagine.it/picture.php?/9889/category/176

https://www.varagine.it/picture.php?/9890/category/176

 

[Schneiderman]

"Historical Photographs from the City of Varesse"

Nope, you're mistaking Varazze with Varese (home of Macchi).

This image comes from the Historical Photo Archive of the town of Varazze (near Savona in Liguria region) and not Varese (near Milano in Lombardia region).

Ah well, close but no cigar.

 

[Schneiderman]

It could be a first iteration of the SIAI S.21 racer designed to participate to the Schneider Trophy:

SIAI S.21 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The choice of a radial engine makes that a little unlikely for a Schneider racer in this era

 

[iverson]

The model does not look like any Macchi or SIAI/Savoia product that I have seen. Nor does it look very practical, with its draggy triplane wings, stubby fuselage, and tiny horintal tail surfaces.

It looks like a model or even a toy to me.

 

[hesham]

Nope, you're mistaking Varazze with Varese (home of Macchi).

This image comes from the Historical Photo Archive of the town of Varazze (near Savona in Liguria region) and not Varese (near Milano in Lombardia region).

But there's nothing about it in the book of Macchi.

 

[Apophenia]

But there's nothing about it in the book of Macchi.

Of course not. Why would there be?

Your own link in the opening post identifies the image as "Cives Varazze" - as fortrena noted in reply #6. If you followed fortrena's links you see that same image categorized under "Industrie e Stabilimenti/Idrovolanti CIVES/Cives Varazze".
-- https://www.varagine.it/picture.php?/9889/category/176

So why are we still chasing a 'mystery' when CIVES has already been identified as this design's origin?

The only remaining question, it seems to me, is: Did Bernardo Baglietto apply any names or designations to CIVES designs (aircraft or float sets) before his company tanked in 1919?