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Ireland's last fast jet (as used in "On Her Majestys Secret Service' as a Swiss Mirage)
And two aircraft mentioned as possible replacements
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Of course if we were to talk about supersonic interceptors, then South Korea and the wildcard of Taiwan are possible suppliers.
I don't see China being allowed to tender.
Though a variant of the US-Swedish trainer is the strongest potential option.
 

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Of course if we were to talk about supersonic interceptors, then South Korea and the wildcard of Taiwan are possible suppliers.
I don't see China being allowed to tender.
Though a variant of the US-Swedish trainer is the strongest potential option.
Not supersonic...
 

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I don’t know, ships, Northern Ireland? Space?
Northern Ireland has no long range radar stations.... None since the cold war ended... There used to be 2 Rotor stations- one at killard point (beside what was RAF Bishopscourt- which is now a race track at which I do motorcycle track days) and one at fair head on the north coast. We have only a minimal RAF base at Aldergrove which is the main civilian airport (Belfast International)
 

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Ireland's last fast jet (as used in "On Her Majestys Secret Service' as a Swiss Mirage)
And two aircraft mentioned as possible replacements
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I wouldn't call the Fouga Magister a "fast" jet. :p
 

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Well what about the Argentinian IA-63 Pampa

I could carry two 7,62 mm gun pods plus 125 kg freefall bombs

Are you planning to bomb another plane?

The notional mission is air policing, which is a strictly air-to-air effort. That means any solution needs radar (or maybe a pretty advanced IRST) and air-to-air missiles. Arguably Ireland might actually want to actively omit air-to-ground weapons entirely.

The F-20 would have been nearly ideal, decades ago. Today, Gripen would be almost the only credible option. (C/D models with IRIS-T and Meteor only, to minimize the dependence on US suppliers?)
 
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Bishop Brennan aka "Len": So we have no way of stopping them flying over Ireland.
Father Dougal: Well, Northern Ireland's out but that still leaves Ships and Space.
Father Jack: Gerls with purple hair...
 

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Well what about the Argentinian IA-63 Pampa

I could carry two 7,62 mm gun pods plus 125 kg freefall bombs

Are you planning to bomb another plane?

The notional mission is air policing, which is a strictly air-to-air effort. That means any solution needs radar (or maybe a pretty advanced IRST) and air-to-air missiles. Arguably Ireland might actually want to actively omit air-to-ground weapons entirely.

The F-20 would have been nearly ideal, decades ago. Today, Gripen would be almost the only credible option. (C/D models with IRIS-T and Meteor only, to minimize the dependence on US suppliers?)
I would say the South Korean T50 Golden Eagle ought to be reasonable.
And Taiwan has the trainer variant of the Ching Kuo and might build more....if you are prepared annoy China.
And as mad as it sounds the Tejas might make it four reasonable options for new aircraft.
Of which only one is the Gripen.
 

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One of the last generation trainers - M-346 or T-50 - would get my vote. It can complement or even replace the PC-9M. Anything larger or faster or more sophisticated will bust any budget. 1 billion is a paltry, as far as combat aircraft go...
 

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I suppose there is the option of renting Gripen....but are there available aircraft to rent and is it worth the ongoing cost?
 

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I suppose there is the option of renting Gripen....but are there available aircraft to rent and is it worth the ongoing cost?
Gripen would reinforce the non-aligned status. I think Sweden has been pretty flexible in 'loaners', and would probably allow them to buy another sqn of the newer Gripen.

And they could operate them off the M50.......
 

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I suppose there is the option of renting Gripen....but are there available aircraft to rent and is it worth the ongoing cost?
Gripen would reinforce the non-aligned status. I think Sweden has been pretty flexible in 'loaners', and would probably allow them to buy another sqn of the newer Gripen.

And they could operate them off the M50.......
Good luck with that.....
 

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I'd say radar missiles (AMRAAM, Meteor, etc.) are desirable. Not so much for range as warhead size. Remember, the potential targets here include multi-engine bombers and, sadly, hijacked airliners.

The Czech Republic and Hungary both leased a single squadron of 14 Gripen for 10 years at a bit less than 1 billion Euro each. That's minus actual running costs and armament, however.
 
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