The uneven number of 15cm / 6" guns suggest a 1x2 24cm and 1x1 15cm on the centreline layout. Though it's not impossible that a superfiring 15cm mount over single 24cm / 9,2" mounting was proposed.
 
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Well, basically it was about the 6,000 ton cruisers of IVS, but in the 11 minutes, it was said that in 1930 the Germans offered the Chinese 10,000 tons warships, 75 million Reichmarks, possibly the Deutschland export version
 
I've been recently informed (and asked to draw...) that Chang Kai-shek draw up a fleet plan for the Post War Chinese Navy:
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This file describes a list of ships including A battlecruiser with eight 16 inch guns on 31000t, 9000-10.000t cruisers with eight, nine and ten 8 inch guns respectively.
Apparently the document was from around 1945-47

I've yet to find the original source.

Problem is by 1945, 10.000tons was not enough for such armament for cruisers except if light 2-3" belt and deck armour was used and slower speed of maybe max 32knots
In 1938/39 the RN had trouble designing a 10.000ton cruiser which had adequite protection speed armament and had sufficient AA firepower, and that was before WW2:
 
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Quite possible, the overall shape is clearly similar.
Yep very similar!
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That maybe the case, but the document describing the cruiser dated 1929 August.
I'm curious about which document it is. The relevant archives I saw records a date of April 1930.

Oh, I see. I think you have mixed up a few files. The file from August 1929 is just a letter from the Dutch promoting submarines. This cruiser was definitely submitted to Tu Hsi Kuei after his visit to Germany in April 1930.
 

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I'm curious about which document it is. The relevant archives I saw records a date of April 1930.

Oh, I see. I think you have mixed up a few files. The file from August 1929 is just a letter from the Dutch promoting submarines. This cruiser was definitely submitted to Tu Hsi Kuei after his visit to Germany in April 1930.
Can you give a reference to the file dated August 1929 I wonder which Dutch firm is promoting submarines. I suppose it's Ingenieuwskantoor voor Scheepsbouw IvS which offered a project of a submarine minelayer project 267
 
Can you give a reference to the file dated August 1929 I wonder which Dutch firm is promoting submarines. I suppose it's Ingenieuwskantoor voor Scheepsbouw IvS which offered a project of a submarine minelayer project 267
In fact, the letter from 1929 was from the Dutch shipyard Fijenoord, which offered two submarine plans, one for 240 tons and the other for 340 tons.
 

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If I remember correctly 8-12 BB evenly spread between the northern and southern navies, but will check Conway's.

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Here:

In 1909, China had a 7 year plan for 8 BB, 20 CL, 2 DD Flotillas (30DD and DL) and 20 Gunboats. This plan was to cover £21m for 250,000 tons of new warships at £84 per ton at a rate of about £3m per year. This was comparable expenditure to other mid-ranged powers' construction programs.

Potentially we can project what is expected for the size of Battleships by assuming about 50 000 tons for 20 cruisers, 5,900 for 6DD, 9600 for 24 DL and 16 000 for 20 gunboats then this leaves 169,100 for the 8 BB, about 21,140 tons each. The earlier 1909 Manchu plan involved 16000 ton BB to be built in Japan, this would leave the 20 cruisers at 5,000 tons each. The type of ship was to be similar to the IJN Ikoma type 2nd Class BB/Armoured Cruiser and as an alternative, Vickers had also been offering a Rurik type ship prior to the revolution.

An initial 3 year program commenced by the Manchu's included 5DL composed of 3 Schichau built DL that had been delivered by 1914 and single DL prototypes from STT (Lung Tuan, later Warasdinier) and an Italian Soldato type (Ching Po, later Ascaro). There was also a trio of training cruisers, 2 built in the UK and one in the US that was later sold to Greece in 1914. In 1910 the Chinese empire signed up for $18.5m (25m taels or £3.81m) of warships from Bethlehem Steel.

The Chinese would buy warships from whoever could put forward the loans. This is evident by the surge in Austrian shipbuilding for China in 1913-14. The 7 year program is more like 10. The ultimate aim for a Chinese Navy would be to demonstrate Chinese unity and with that, the power to negotiate away the uneven treaties just as Japan had done.
 
Adding some Vickers designs that I haven't seen listed before in this thread - these are largely undated armored cruisers, but the Vickers design numbers place them in the late Qing era. 339, 341, and 619 are destroyers. Sources are NMM Vickers notebooks, so not all information is complete.

Design #339341416417418419446450619
DesignerVickersVickersVickersVickersVickersVickersVickersVickersArmstrong
Date1907190712/2/1023/11/1909
Tonnage5803607500600027502400900
Size (bp)235/22.5/7220/22.5/6395/58/22350/58/21320/40/13.5300/39/13270/27/9
IHP/SHP92006500
Speed303022202321
Primary1 4", 1 3"/451 12pdr4 8"/45 BL2 9.2"/454 8"/45 BL2x1 8"/452 6"/50 QF8 4" QF4 4"
Secondary6 37mm5 6pdr14 6"/50, 10 12pdr12 4.7", 4 3pdr12 4.7", 4 3pdr8 6"/50, 4 3pdr6 4.7"/50 QF6 3pdr
AA/RF armament4 maxim4 maxim4 maxim4 Maxim2 Maxim
Torpedoes2 18" deck2 18" deck4 18" sub2 18" sub2 18" sub2 18" sub2 18" sub2 21"
Armor3"/6"/3" belt, 1" deck, 1.5" slopes3"/6"/3" belt, .75"/1" deck1" deck, 2" slopesprotective deck, .75" flat, 1-1.5" slopes
 
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Adding some Vickers designs that I haven't seen listed before in this thread - these are largely undated armored cruisers, but the Vickers design numbers place them in the late Qing era. 339, 341, and 619 are destroyers. Sources are NMM Vickers notebooks, so not all information is complete.

Design #339341416417418419446450619
DesignerVickersVickersVickersVickersVickersVickersVickersVickersArmstrong
Date1907190712/2/1023/11/1909
Tonnage5803607500600027502400900
Size (bp)235/22.5/7220/22.5/6395/58/22350/58/21320/40/13.5300/39/13270/27/9
IHP/SHP92006500
Speed303022202321
Primary1 4", 1 3"/451 12pdr4 8"/45 BL2 9.2"/454 8"/45 BL2x1 8"/452 6"/50 QF8 4" QF4 4"
Secondary6 37mm5 6pdr14 6"/50, 10 12pdr12 4.7", 4 3pdr12 4.7", 4 3pdr8 6"/50, 4 3pdr6 4.7"/50 QF6 3pdr
AA/RF armament4 maxim4 maxim4 maxim4 Maxim2 Maxim
Torpedoes2 18" deck2 18" deck4 18" sub2 18" sub2 18" sub2 18" sub2 18" sub2 21"
Armor3"/6"/3" belt, 1" deck, 1.5" slopes3"/6"/3" belt, .75"/1" deck1" deck, 2" slopesprotective deck, .75" flat, 1-1.5" slopes
So all of them are offers to China?
 
Adding some Vickers designs that I haven't seen listed before in this thread - these are largely undated armored cruisers, but the Vickers design numbers place them in the late Qing era. 339, 341, and 619 are destroyers. Sources are NMM Vickers notebooks, so not all information is complete.

Design #339341416417418419446450619
DesignerVickersVickersVickersVickersVickersVickersVickersVickersArmstrong
Date1907190712/2/1023/11/1909
Tonnage5803607500600027502400900
Size (bp)235/22.5/7220/22.5/6395/58/22350/58/21320/40/13.5300/39/13270/27/9
IHP/SHP92006500
Speed303022202321
Primary1 4", 1 3"/451 12pdr4 8"/45 BL2 9.2"/454 8"/45 BL2x1 8"/452 6"/50 QF8 4" QF4 4"
Secondary6 37mm5 6pdr14 6"/50, 10 12pdr12 4.7", 4 3pdr12 4.7", 4 3pdr8 6"/50, 4 3pdr6 4.7"/50 QF6 3pdr
AA/RF armament4 maxim4 maxim4 maxim4 Maxim2 Maxim
Torpedoes2 18" deck2 18" deck4 18" sub2 18" sub2 18" sub2 18" sub2 18" sub2 21"
Armor3"/6"/3" belt, 1" deck, 1.5" slopes3"/6"/3" belt, .75"/1" deck1" deck, 2" slopesprotective deck, .75" flat, 1-1.5" slopes

Vickers Designs 339 and 341appears to be either destroyers (or Torpedo Boat Destroyers) or fast gunboats based on size and speed
Vickers Designs 446 and 450 appears to be protected or scout cruisers comparable to the Topaze class
Vickers Designs 416-419 indeed are armoured cruisers pretty standard with very likely either twin or single main guns at the ends and other armaments in casemates or shielded mounts not sure if all 6" guns in turrets tough.
Armstrong Design 619 apparently is a destroyer, based on the Beagle class as dimensions and displacement is very close to that class though armament is better having uniform 4" guns instead of one 4" and three 3". Discrepancies on size is likely due to the shorter range, speed is unknown but likely close to 27knots
 
So all of them are offers to China?
Indeed, these are all the ones which Thurston's notebook specifies for China. It's possible there are more designs for them from Vickers, but as we all know, the customer files for Vickers tend to have partially survived at best.
 

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