Focke-Wulf Langstreckenbomber 1936

[lastdingo]

An unnamed design study abut long-range bombers from Focke-Wulf, dated 1936.
Original document in German.

http://www.farposst.ru/2011/03/11/Betrachtungen___252_ber_die_Entwicklungsm__246_glichkeiten_eines_Langstreckenbombers___Teil_1.html

http://www.farposst.ru/2011/03/11/Betrachtungen___252_ber_die_Entwicklungsm__246_glichkeiten_eines_Langstreckenbombers___Teil_2.html

 

[hesham]

A more details of that strange project.

 

[Avimimus]

So from the five seats and pitful fixed rearward firing defensive armament - I take it that this thing was posing as a passenger plane (to cover up the rearmament)?

 

[alfakilo]

Second picture seems to be a pressurized cockpit proposal.

 

[sienar]

Is it possible that this was related to Focke-Wulfs submission to the schnellbomber RLM request of 1935?

Apparently FW did submit a design but withdrew early on. This same request gave birth to the Bf162, Ju88 and henschel 127. And the request also called for a defensive armament of one rear firing gun.

Or perhaps it was a development of that series. Long-range doesn't exactly fit with schnellbomber.


And could someone post upload the files the OP links to somewhere else? I get a "service not available in your country" error when I try to download it.

 

[Jemiba]

So from the five seats and pitful fixed rearward firing defensive armament - I take it that this thing was posing as a passenger plane (to cover up the rearmament)?

I wouldn't take it as proved, that it was a five seat aircraft. There are three seats in the pressure cabin, so I think,
that was the standard cew complement. For cruising at high altitudes, all crew members needed a pressurized place.
Over the target, pilot and bomb aimer probably took their places in the cabin in the nose, as the aircraft was de-
pressurized, to prevent the danger of too fast decompression in the event of battle damage.
And the gun in the tailcone may well have been flexible, as could be shown by the hardly recognisable dotted lines.

 

[dannydale]

The dotted line looks like the aft lower curve of the vertical stabilizer to me.

 

[Jemiba]

I meant the marked line. Could either mean, that the rera gun could be depressed or, maybe in
connection with the rectangular object, which doesn't look like an ammo box to me, it could be
a turnable tailcone.

 

[dannydale]

Ah, didn't see that one. Sorry!

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is anther drawing from its report.

 

[Avimimus]

That is a good eye Jemiba,

As soon as a I looked at it again it occurred to me that it is probably exactly as you say. Although it seems that the pilot would have stayed in the pressure cockpit - so the whole system would have to be depressurised (in which case they might as well all remain together). I suppose it was difficult to create a good observation window that was easily pressurised in the 1930s?

I wonder if they would have carried respirators to make working in the outer compartment more comfortable or if the aircraft would have entered a shallow diver over the target (much as became standard by the end of the war). Would they have thought of such tactics to avoid interception?

 

[Jemiba]

Don't know about the employed tactics. For aiming such a rearward weapon, I would assume a
movable version of the "Rückblickfernrohr" (rear view telescope), that was used for fixed rearward
weapons, too (photo from Luftfahrt International N° 22). Should have been not too complicated, due
to the limited angle, I think.

 

[hesham]

By the way,


this project was called P.12222 .

 

[Jemiba]

No need to ask for the source here, as it becomes obvious from
the drawings :

 

[hesham]

Hi,


that project was appeared in two versions,the first was here;
http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.de/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/f/FockeWulf/Langstreckenbomber/Focke%20Wulf%20Bomber%20Projekt%201936%20Teil%201.pdf


and the second;
http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.de/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/f/FockeWulf/Langstreckenbomber/Focke%20Wulf%20Bomber%20Projekt%201936%20Teil%202.pdf

 

[Jemiba]

Yes, good to have an alternative link to the one, posted at the beginning of this thread,
as it was sometimes regarded as a bit, well, shady ...

 

[Avimimus]

That's an interesting pop-out remote cannon turret! Pretty ambitious for the time period. I wonder if German bombers would've done better if they'd had defensive cannons prior to 1942...?

 

[Jemiba]

That's an interesting pop-out remote cannon turret!

Maybe I missed something, but in part two, page 8, I only found "... Der Einbau wurde unter Verzicht
auf Fernsteuerung .. .vorgenommen" (.. an installation without the use of remote control).
If development of remote controlled turrets would have started already back in 1936, there may have
been better results during the later war yeras indeed.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is the both variant drawings in one shot.

 

[Zizi6785]

Focke-Wulf FW P.12222-04

New Unicraft 1:72 kit.
What can you know about this project?

 

[hesham]

Re: Focke-Wulf FW P.12222-04

What ?;

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,12698.msg244611.html#msg244611

 

[Zizi6785]

Re: Focke-Wulf FW P.12222-04

Oh my god, thank you Hesham!

Topics merged

 

[baja]

http://www.unicraft.biz/germ/fw12222/fw12222.htm

Here the link to the Unicraft Model of the Focke Wulf Langestreckenbomber!

 

[hesham]

http://www.unicraft.biz/germ/fw12222/fw12222.htm

Here the link to the Unicraft Model of the Focke Wulf Langestreckenbomber!

Wow,nice find Baja.

 

[jcf]

Cleaned up versions of two of the drawings.

 

[hesham]

Cleaned up versions of two of the drawings.

Good work Jcf.