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What is your favorite unbuilt giant airplane of the pre-1945 period?


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Arjen

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Whatever the artist who drew the K.s.1.b was on, can I get some too?
 

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F. A. Tsander project (middle 1920th, works from 1916):
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Tsander 1.jpg
Pilot:
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Other Tsander project:
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Ceiling - to 30 km, speed - to 400 mps, or 1440 kmph
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Maybe, first Russian giant airplane project, and, maybe, biggest Tsarist project - Teleshev 1867:
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120 passengers (~15 ton), pulse-jet, I heard, "from Paris to St-Petersburg in one hour" - and, it's ~ 2165 km... :)
 

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Was there ever a Final Conclusion on The Tupolev 30 Ton Super Heavy Bomber with The 8 - 2,000 Horsepower, IAM M-44 Engines & The 656' Foot Wingspan?

I know that it supposedly never left The Drawing Boards, but surely those drawings were found in a filing cabinet somewhere or We wouldn't have ever read it in print.
 

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Welcome aboard Odin,

and that's new Info for me,and maybe it was ANT-52 or something else,but what is your source ?.
 

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(from "Superbombovozi Stalina")
In early 1930th projected more monstruosly bombers, than TB-6/ANT-26 and ANT-28.
TB-7 project (not Pe-8 - it's other project) - span ~200 metres (~650 foot), 8x2000hp engines, 30 t bombs on range 1200 km or 15 t on range 2400 km, and full weight to 150 ton.
STB (SverhTyazholy Bombardirovshik - Superheavy bomber) - bigger than TB-7, 25 t bombs on range 2500 km, I haven't data about span, but, bigger than TB-7.
Are there any sketches of the 656-foot span bomber or the STB? I could barely fathom the notion of a Soviet design for a 600+ foot span heavy bomber, but it's known that the USSR didn't build large strategic bombers in huge numbers given its emphasis on tactical aviation in WW2.
In early 1930th in USSR created programm "about air fleet". By this programm, needed builted huge fleet, for destroying navy, bases, plants. TB-4, TB-4MG, TB-6, TB-7, STB - special bombers, TB-8 and TB-9 - universal, for paratroopers. Based on TB-3 created a "cruisers", for escort of heavy bomber, and, TB-3 reclassifited from heavy bomber to medium bomber. This programm was very heavy and difficult for USSR, and projects TB-7, TB-8, TB-9, STB was closed. But, in "small" version of programm, implied a huge air fleet, 96 TB-6, 196 TB-4 and more TB-3, to 1937-1939. But, to 1935 this programm was closed.
Also, for TB-3 created assault weapons - "We need a heavy assault airplane". Constructed TB-3 with 76.2 mm front guns, in three version - 3 x M1927 short-barrel guns, 2 x M1927 and 1 x M1931 high-velocity AA gun, 3 x M1931. Also, created heavy ROFS-203 rockets, "super-Il-2" :)
In early 1930th analogical huge programms created for navy - giant gibrid cruiser-carriers, superbattleships (16x18", 9x20", 6x21" guns), underwater cruisers in 5000+ tons - and for land forces - many types of tanks, from 15 to 600 tons, self-propelled 180, 203, 305, 406 mm cannons, 305, 400, 500 mm hovitzers.
USSR "perebolel" (got sick) of megalomania in 1930th, and in WW2 produced most effective machines for total war. Stalin wasn't a Soviet Hitler :)

What does the “BETAB” and “BRAB” stand for?
 

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BetAB- Betonoboynaya AviaBomba - concrete piercing bomb
BrAB - Broneboynaya AviaBomba – armour-piercing bomb

Thank you Aubi!

Also, do the parts of the designations like "-600DC" or "-800DC" refer the the amount of explosives in the rocket?
 
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Amazing dear Iron,

we want a more stuff for Grohovski.
 

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Hi!
 

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F. A. Tsander project (middle 1920th, works from 1916):
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Pilot:
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Other Tsander project:
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Ceiling - to 30 km, speed - to 400 mps, or 1440 kmph
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Maybe, first Russian giant airplane project, and, maybe, biggest Tsarist project - Teleshev 1867:
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120 passengers (~15 ton), pulse-jet, I heard, "from Paris to St-Petersburg in one hour" - and, it's ~ 2165 km... :)
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May I please have a glass of whatever those Tzarist engineers were drinking?
 

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"I invented an apparatus of practically immeasurable weight" - T. F. Zenkevich, 3 September 1915:
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"The apparatus may hang in one place"... "Immeasurable weight"... UFO from 1996 "Independence day"? Please, no... But, after other ideas of this period... I'm not surprised.
 

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Douglas C-132. Why was it canned when the An-22 was build, is beyond me. Imagine how useful it would have been in the early days of Vietnam...
 
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