Orionblamblam said:Has anybody seen anything *reliable* that gives any sort of dimensions for the rocketplane Sanger designed in '33? Everything I have seems to suggest that it was a "rubber" airplane - i.e. no fixed dimension, to be scaled up or down.
OM said:..."Rubber" airplane? Sorry, weren't we discussing that on the Inflatable Hypersonic thread?
Justo Miranda said:"rubber" airplane model 1:20 scale
Artie Bob said:A complete translation of Sanger's book was published by NASA in the Technical Translation series,
archipeppe said:What is the "MG Anlage" placed in the front of the rocketplane??
Anlage means "device" in English, but what means the MG?
Michel Van said:Scott do you need this info for eAPR V2N2 ?
Orionblamblam said:But I don't think dimensions for this are ever going to be found, as I suspect Sanger never gave it dimensions.
Orionblamblam said:But I don't think dimensions for this are ever going to be found, as I suspect Sanger never gave it dimensions.
Michel Van said:today you can't pay a original version of "Raketenflugtechnik" anymore
Michel Van said:today you can't pay a original version of "Raketenflugtechnik" anymore
About as close to a first edition as I coudl quickly find:
Neuere Ergebnisse der Raketenflugtechnik. In a special issue of Flug by Sanger, Eugen: (1934) | Jeremy Norman's historyofscience
1st Edition - Soft cover - Vienna - 1934 - Sanger, Eugen (1905-64). Neuere Ergebnisse der Raketenflugtechnik. In Flug: Zeitschr. f. d. gesamte Gebiet der Luftfahrt, Sonderheft 1 (1934). 23, [1]pp. Text illustrations. 305 x 211 mm. Original printed wrappers. Fine. First Edition. Sanger, a...www.abebooks.com
Neuere Ergebnisse der Raketenflugtechnik. In a special issue of Flug.
Sanger, Eugen.
Description: S‰nger, Eugen (1905-64). Neuere Ergebnisse der Raketenflugtechnik. In Flug: Zeitschr. f. d. gesamte Gebiet der Luftfahrt, Sonderheft 1 (1934). 23, [1]pp. Text illustrations. 305 x 211 mm. Original printed wrappers. Fine. First Edition.
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I think that this is just an article, though.
Pierre TIAN replied.
Eugen Sanger Silberbird was a very beutifull and genial project, that already in 1940 prevised an aft up lift surface, later in 1950 studied at Short plant. It was never built because a too heavy budget of creation and maintenance. But from 1941, the cryogenic oxygen hydrogen rocket was tested at Trauen/ Fassberg. The testbench was destroyed by the Britishes in 1944. Ruins ans housing and sheds were partly used in the sixties for the Deutsche Raketen Zentrum, centered Stuttgart Institute.
The Sanger Silberbird memorandum was printed in 50 folds, which roneo nr 1 that of Sanger himself, is still to be consulted at Musee de l Air et de l Espace, Le Bourget at Paris
Valves and the miracle multistage pump were the only parts that were build. The pump throned for years on Sanger desk at Polygone de Chatillon in Montrouge, South of Paris. I suppose that later was in possession of Irene Sanger / Bredt, ihis wife, and today belong to Hartmuth, their son
Pierre TIAN replied.
Eugen Sanger Silberbird was a very beutifull and genial project, that already in 1940 prevised an aft up lift surface, later in 1950 studied at Short plant. It was never built because a too heavy budget of creation and maintenance. But from 1941, the cryogenic oxygen hydrogen rocket was tested at Trauen/ Fassberg. The testbench was destroyed by the Britishes in 1944. Ruins ans housing and sheds were partly used in the sixties for the Deutsche Raketen Zentrum, centered Stuttgart Institute.
The Sanger Silberbird memorandum was printed in 50 folds, which roneo nr 1 that of Sanger himself, is still to be consulted at Musee de l Air et de l Espace, Le Bourget at Paris
Valves and the miracle multistage pump were the only parts that were build. The pump throned for years on Sanger desk at Polygone de Chatillon in Montrouge, South of Paris. I suppose that later was in possession of Irene Sanger / Bredt, ihis wife, and today belong to Hartmuth, their son
Dear Pierre,
Thank you. There are a few corrections to be added.
Eugen Sänger's report "UM 3538" was printed in 100 copies only, not 50. Many of them were destroyed. 3 of them were obtained by the Soviet Union, reaching Stalin who prompted his son to kidnap Sänger in France. Tokaty blew this off and Sänger was protected. I have even obtained a numbered, restricted diffusion Russian translation of the UM3538 report. The original report in German was translated into French by Alexandre Ananoff who befriended with Sänger's at war's end, as Sänger stayed and worked in France. Ananoff organized what is known today as the International Astronautical Congres and Sänger later became the president of the International Astronautical Federation. Ananoff's archives were transfered to Le Bourget Museum.
A.