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JFC Fuller

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I apologise if this has already been discussed here but I was unable to find anything using the search function or just scanning back through the old threads.

I have come across two different strories for the P.8, the first that it was basically a much improved Lighting, still single seat, (reffered to at least once as the F-7) with an area-ruled rear fuselage and fuselage mounted main undercarriage, with a Blue Vesta mounted on each wingtip. According to some sources it was one of the projects cancelled in 1957 by Sandys? ???

Then there is the other version, according to this one it was the English Electric proposal for the F.155T project (ultimately would have produced the Fairey Delta-3). Under this tale the idea varies greatly with solid noses and side mounted intakes, some with swing wings. So what is the truth? ???

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It is covered pretty well in British Secret Projects: Jet Fighters.

P8 was EE's F155T proposal, basically an improved Lightning. Single and twin seat versions were considered, the submission was single seat.

Later, VG Lightning derivatives were proposed, but these were not P8.
 

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Here's a drawing of P.8, despite its crudeness its actually from the brochure.
 

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Drawings

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Thanks guys, I did read the BSP section, but I was confused by all the other stuff that I came across, plus the fact that the type looks really out of place with the other F-155T contenders, the P.8 lacks the exciting design insanity of the other contenders. So was the P.8 an active project, would it have made it to service?
 

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Last drawing.

English Electric's P.8 was by far the most realistic F155T project; achievable, and affordable. Therefore it didn't make it past even the first consideration, neither did the Fairey Interim Fighter (based on ER.103) project or the Hawker P.1103 which were arguably similarly realatively sensible.

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Errr correct me if I'm wrong but the 55ft length figure is caused by the airdata probe.
The Naval VG variant of the Trainer had a folding probe that took its length back down to 50ft if I remember correctly.

P.8 did interest the RAF, they just thought it not ideal for F155T, which required the ability to tote the Red Hebe AAM and the second crewman.

Of the two P8 and P1103, the P.8 is closer to the then existing hardware. Frankly it was in everyones interests save the Treasurey to fund the new fusilage even with the existing systems inside.

But then so was the P.6 a better option than the existing Lightning we know.

Interesting to look at the cutaway, showes potential in the design for a 'solid nose' if EE had been disposed to consider it. I have read somewhere they did look at that in the 50's long before the VG studies.
 

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There was an article about the P.8 on http://www.concentric.net/~Rojo1/,
a very good site, unfortunately just a dead link in the moment, and it seems to be
unsure, if site will be available again.
So I post the What-If colour profiles here, in low res.
 

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so i would be right in thinking that, had the P.8 reached the hardware stage, it would have sported an enlarged fin, like the later lightnings?

cheers,
Robin.
 

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Certainly, and better visibility, Roy Boot (I think) was emphatic it needed both.
 

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2 seat variant
 

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More drawings
 

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Looks like an Anigrand kit perhaps? :)
 

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If the P.8 had been chosen as the F.155T interceptor, would EE still produce *Lightning* as a point defence interceptor? ???
 

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P.8 came nowhere near meeting the F.155T requirements so would never have been chosen. In an alternate reality it may have become Lightning Mk2 and been procured following on from the early P.1 variants. The design appears to have been well received by the Air Ministry but rejected for F.155T (for the simple reason it did not meet the stated requirements).

F.155T was more of Javelin replacement.
 

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Hi!
Only P.8 did not have rocket engine.

http://alternathistory.livejournal.com/1909760.html
Powerplant: 2 × 126 RB.maximum thrust 2 × 13400 lbs (2 × 59.6 kN)
Dimensions:
wingspan 38.36 CFT (11.7 m), length 50.4ft (15.3 m)
wing area: 471 CFT ² (43.8 m ²)
the relative thickness of the profile of the wing at the roots of 5.3% endings have 2.4%
Weight:total flight 31768 lbs (14409 kg)
Flight characteristics:maximum speed: Mach 2.0 2.5.
Armament: 2 × Blue Jay MK. 4 or 2 × 24 UNGUIDED ROCKETS calibre 2 "(50 mm)

http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=5284.165
 

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