Early Flying Car Designs

Just call me Ray

ACCESS: Top Secret
Joined
Aug 26, 2007
Messages
674
Reaction score
16
Hmmm, interesting take on it. Practical from an engineering standpoint but impractical from...uh, well, a practical standpoint.
 

Jemiba

ACCESS: Above Top Secret
Staff member
Top Contributor
Senior Member
Joined
Mar 11, 2006
Messages
8,314
Reaction score
1,378
Externally and in comparison to other flying car designs, this is more a kind
of light transport. The connection of the loaded car to the flight controls
is the only difference to a conventional aircraft. Is there an "official" definition of
the term "flying car" anywhere ?
At least, I cannot see any benefits in this concept : An incomplete aircraft, not
usable without its cargo and a car, that would need a lot of instruments and controls
not needed for ground traffic .. ???
 

Bill Walker

Per Ardua ad Nauseum
Joined
Feb 13, 2012
Messages
482
Reaction score
13
Website
rwrwalker.ca
I just received this picture in an e-mail of unusual vehicles. I know nothing else about the source. I think it is, at best, a concept or mockup, and may just be an amusement park ride. Anyway, anybody recognize it?
8119631202_4b9d6a499c.jpg
 

Jemiba

ACCESS: Above Top Secret
Staff member
Top Contributor
Senior Member
Joined
Mar 11, 2006
Messages
8,314
Reaction score
1,378
At the risk of executing another act of totalitarian repression, I've moved and merged the post about
the Stani two seater (which according to the linked magazin was a roadable aircraft and designed in detail)
and some other lonesome flying cars/roadable aircraft posts. The pics below are about from heshams link
 

Attachments

  • Stani_01.jpg
    Stani_01.jpg
    461.3 KB · Views: 545
  • Stani_02.jpg
    Stani_02.jpg
    406.6 KB · Views: 492
  • Stani_03.jpg
    Stani_03.jpg
    317 KB · Views: 48

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
28,121
Reaction score
5,629
Thank you my dear Jemiba,


at first I thought it was a hypothetical design.
 

Pelzig

ACCESS: Secret
Joined
Oct 24, 2008
Messages
448
Reaction score
37
Came across these two images in the book "Bracia Działowscy". This is the Działowscy DKD-10 Aeromobil "Podoficer" (first design) and the second Aeromobil design (which looks much more aircraft than combination). Neither version seems to have come about. The concept was engineered by Dlaczego Działowscy.
 

Attachments

  • DKD-10_second_version.jpg
    DKD-10_second_version.jpg
    99.8 KB · Views: 44
  • DKD-10.jpg
    DKD-10.jpg
    103.1 KB · Views: 44

Pelzig

ACCESS: Secret
Joined
Oct 24, 2008
Messages
448
Reaction score
37
Found these additional images of the Działowscy Aeromobil in the book Samoloty Wojskowe w Polsce 1924-1939. The first shows the "Podoficer" mock-up model broken down while the other is a testbed for the Aeromobil's car portion. It was test driven around Krakow in 1933.
 

Attachments

  • DKD_10_broken_down.jpg
    DKD_10_broken_down.jpg
    32 KB · Views: 37
  • aerobil_testbed.jpg
    aerobil_testbed.jpg
    56.3 KB · Views: 38

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
28,121
Reaction score
5,629
From l'Aeronautique 11/1933,


what was this ?, a Flying car or not ?,the google translate is not good enough.
 

Attachments

  • 8.png
    8.png
    378.5 KB · Views: 48
  • 7.png
    7.png
    408.4 KB · Views: 35
  • 6.png
    6.png
    420.5 KB · Views: 24
  • 5.png
    5.png
    402.7 KB · Views: 29
  • 4.png
    4.png
    431.3 KB · Views: 30
  • 3.png
    3.png
    750 KB · Views: 37
  • 2.png
    2.png
    540.2 KB · Views: 44
  • 1.png
    1.png
    384.3 KB · Views: 46

royabulgaf

ACCESS: Top Secret
Joined
Dec 29, 2008
Messages
531
Reaction score
119
Skyblazer, I am not familiar with French auto manufacturers of the period. Is that from a specific company or just someone's notional project?
 

Stargazer2006

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 25, 2009
Messages
13,226
Reaction score
761
royabulgaf said:
Skyblazer, I am not familiar with French auto manufacturers of the period. Is that from a specific company or just someone's notional project?

Not from a particular company, just notional by Mauboussin, who was an aviation engineer (of later Castel-Mauboussin fame, which itself merged with Fouga after the war).
 

steelpillow

So many projects, so little time...
Top Contributor
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 25, 2014
Messages
1,079
Reaction score
588
Website
www.steelpillow.com
An early flying car was the Whitehead No.21 of 1901, more notorious for its controversial challenge to the Wright Flyer as the first heavier-than-air machine to fly under its own power. It had two engines, with the road wheels driven by one and the propeller by the other. On takeoff both were coupled together to drive the propeller. The wings were collapsible with radial "bat-wing" ribs supporting a fabric surface and were folded back alongside the fuselage for road travel. It seems to have had a patent wing-warping system for flight control, powered by compressed air.

Sadly there is so much sound and fury on both sides of the who-flew-first debate that it is difficult to say whether it did actually fly, or even hop. The best I can determine, it could certainly chunter down the road, most probably hop into an assisted glide and may even have sustained flight, but the flight control system did not work and Whitehead said that he barely avoided crashing into an obstacle by leaning hard over to one side.

His No.22, which he built in 1902, had a rudder and twin propellers with differential power control, and was claimed to have flown full circle.

John Brown came across the Whitehead machines while researching the history of flying cars at the Smithsonian. His flying car website is at http://www.roadabletimes.com/ but from the look of it he seems to have dropped his flying car research when the first-to-fly furore erupted, not least because the site does not mention Whitehead. For that we have to suffer the battle-weariness of his http://www.gustave-whitehead.com/ (a useful resource from the opposite side of the debate is on Carrol Grey's web site at http://www.flyingmachines.org/gwinfo/ ). I wonder if that research monograph will ever get published.
 

Stargazer2006

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 25, 2009
Messages
13,226
Reaction score
761
Thanks a lot steelpillow for reminding us about Whitehead. It is true that I hadn't previously seen his name associated with the flying car concept — probably also because at the time of No.21 the automobile itself was less than 6 years of age!

I'm attaching a three-view plan of No. 21, as well as a photograph of No. 21 B, the flying replica that was built by Otto Timm circa 1937 for the 1938 film "Men With Wings".
 

Attachments

  • Whitehead N.21.pdf
    260.2 KB · Views: 7
  • whiteheadlg.jpg
    whiteheadlg.jpg
    33.5 KB · Views: 381

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
28,121
Reaction score
5,629
Hi,


this air-car was designed by Louis Lucien Lepoix,it was appeared in 1942,and
could be easy to transfer into flying car.


http://modificationmotors-schatzi.blogspot.com/2009/12/louis-lucien-lepoix.html
 

Attachments

  • 'Air'Car.43.png
    'Air'Car.43.png
    148.7 KB · Views: 367

rinkol

I really should change my personal text
Joined
May 22, 2013
Messages
26
Reaction score
10
I recall seeing one design with a pod-like body and an air cooled pusher engine at the upper rear of the pod. It seemed to me that nobody thought out the consequences of the layour:

- high center of gravity (in combination with a tricycle undercarriage!)
- noise from the engine
- poor fuel economy on the ground, particularly at low speeds


Robert
 
J

joncarrfarrelly

Guest
hesham said:
Hi,

this air-car was designed by Louis Lucien Lepoix,it was appeared in 1942,and
could be easy to transfer into flying car.

http://modificationmotors-schatzi.blogspot.com/2009/12/louis-lucien-lepoix.html

Hesham that is another design for an "aerodynamically improved" (aka "streamlined") car
and looks a great deal like a three-wheeled version of the 1936 Dubonnet Dolphin.

http://www.autominded.com/3831_1936-dubonnet-dolphin/features

Dubonnet%20Andre_image085.jpg


Also no mention to flying or air convertibility is made on the page you linked.
 

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
28,121
Reaction score
5,629
Hi Jcf,


they wrote that,it can transfer it into a flying car aircraft.
 

Jemiba

ACCESS: Above Top Secret
Staff member
Top Contributor
Senior Member
Joined
Mar 11, 2006
Messages
8,314
Reaction score
1,378
Nope, sorry !
The only mention of aircraft is "an aircraft for tarmac". That's roughly the same,
as to call a car "a rocket", because it's that fast. But you could hardly reach the moon
or just an orbit with it either. ;)
 

Stargazer2006

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 25, 2009
Messages
13,226
Reaction score
761
Indeed. It is the "Air concept car". In other words, a concept-car named the "Air". Very beautiful but not a roadable aircraft at all!

The last set of posts really should be removed I think.
 
J

joncarrfarrelly

Guest
Skyblazer said:
Indeed. It is the "Air concept car". In other words, a concept-car named the "Air". Very beautiful but not a roadable aircraft at all!

The last set of posts really should be removed I think.

I disagree about removal. How about moving them to a thread about old concepts for 'improved automobiles'?
'Twould be a nice alternative to the overbearingly militaristic flavour of the rest of the site.
 

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
28,121
Reaction score
5,629
Hi,


here is a two early flying car concepts.


http://www.complex.com/sports/2013/06/a-history-of-the-flying-car/
 

Attachments

  • ac8jlqsx4bn80iroh0nh.jpg
    ac8jlqsx4bn80iroh0nh.jpg
    108.7 KB · Views: 203
  • detachablewings.jpg
    detachablewings.jpg
    99.2 KB · Views: 200

Dynoman

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Jul 29, 2009
Messages
950
Reaction score
375
Curtiss Auto Plane
 

Attachments

  • Curtiss_Flying_Car.jpg
    Curtiss_Flying_Car.jpg
    39.6 KB · Views: 33
  • Curtiss_Auto_Plane.jpg
    Curtiss_Auto_Plane.jpg
    70.7 KB · Views: 33
  • Auto_plane_patent.jpg
    Auto_plane_patent.jpg
    65.1 KB · Views: 38

Dynoman

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Jul 29, 2009
Messages
950
Reaction score
375
Virgil Moore 1920's Autoplane
 

Attachments

  • Autoplane6.jpg
    Autoplane6.jpg
    82.2 KB · Views: 609
  • Autoplane5.jpg
    Autoplane5.jpg
    119.5 KB · Views: 637
  • Autoplane2.jpg
    Autoplane2.jpg
    55 KB · Views: 653

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
28,121
Reaction score
5,629
Dynoman said:
Virgil Moore 1920's Autoplane

Nice find Dynoman,

also there is a patent for Moore Autoplane.

https://www.google.com/patents/US1674338?dq=Virgil+moore+autoplane&hl=ar&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj5w67cuIHKAhWLSRoKHYzKDn4Q6AEIHjAA
 

Attachments

  • 374e78f9-68a6-4908-8afe-d50f8941f4ee-1925-1932-Moore-Autoplane01.png
    374e78f9-68a6-4908-8afe-d50f8941f4ee-1925-1932-Moore-Autoplane01.png
    9.1 KB · Views: 573

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
28,121
Reaction score
5,629
Hi,

here is a roadable Model or a flying car designed by Herbert Boggs.

http://archive.aviationweek.com/image/spread/19450827/25/2
 

Attachments

  • 1.png
    1.png
    773.2 KB · Views: 517
  • 2.png
    2.png
    195.9 KB · Views: 44

Vladimir

I really should change my personal text
Joined
Sep 22, 2015
Messages
321
Reaction score
20
Hi, http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2007/07/22/sia-flashback-cars-that-fly/
 

Attachments

  • gjpg.jpg
    gjpg.jpg
    138.8 KB · Views: 42
  • carsthatfly_06_1000.jpg
    carsthatfly_06_1000.jpg
    439 KB · Views: 47
  • carsthatfly_05_1000.jpg
    carsthatfly_05_1000.jpg
    430.1 KB · Views: 65
  • carsthatfly_04_1000.jpg
    carsthatfly_04_1000.jpg
    418.2 KB · Views: 70
  • carsthatfly_03_1000.jpg
    carsthatfly_03_1000.jpg
    432.4 KB · Views: 54
  • carsthatfly_02_1000.jpg
    carsthatfly_02_1000.jpg
    456.8 KB · Views: 57
  • carsthatfly_01_1000.jpg
    carsthatfly_01_1000.jpg
    585 KB · Views: 50

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
28,121
Reaction score
5,629
Great find my dear Vladimir,

but you can transfer Postwar flying car aircraft to anther section;

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3556.0.html
 

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
28,121
Reaction score
5,629
hesham said:
Hi,

here is a roadable Model or a flying car designed by Herbert Boggs.

http://archive.aviationweek.com/image/spread/19450827/25/2

And from my dear Tophe,

a patent for it;

http://www.google.com/patents/US2462462?hl=fr&dq=patent:2462462
 

Attachments

  • US2462462-0.png
    US2462462-0.png
    66.1 KB · Views: 48

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
28,121
Reaction score
5,629
Hi,

here is an old flying car,designed and built by Frank Skroback;

http://www.themarysue.com/oldest-flying-car/
 

Attachments

  • tumblr_mcert7jjnj1rwp3js.jpg
    tumblr_mcert7jjnj1rwp3js.jpg
    30.6 KB · Views: 44
  • skroback-flying-car-550x239.jpg
    skroback-flying-car-550x239.jpg
    22.8 KB · Views: 49

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
28,121
Reaction score
5,629
Hi,

in 1929/30,the Polish designer,Mr. Alexander Dluski,he invented a flying-car project,
all details are here;

In the years 1929-1930, Eng. Aleksander Dłuski developed the design of the Aerobil type 2 connecting aircraft corresponding to the concept of aircraft-car, i.e. two vehicles in one. The propeller and wheels were driven by the same engine. The designer submitted the invention for patenting in the Polish Patent Office, and the Department of Aeronautics of the Ministry of Military Affairs. On May 9, 1930, he raised no objections to the grant of a patent. The idea remained in the form of an unrealized project.

 
Last edited:

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
28,121
Reaction score
5,629
Old Info from Internet,

that Hall Aluminum had a Project for a flying car ?,was that right ?.
 

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
28,121
Reaction score
5,629
Hi,

here is a Tri-Phibian,designed by Mr. Vlachos in 1935,and could operated from air,sea and land.

http://www.anorak.co.uk/351267/technology/the-25-most-bizarre-and-adventurous-aircraft-ever-invented.html/
 

Attachments

  • tri-phibian.jpg
    tri-phibian.jpg
    33.4 KB · Views: 42
Top