• Hi Guest! Forum rules have been updated. All users please read here.

Drawings / art work of USS Long Beach (CGN-9) as original frigate design?

Pioneer

Seek out and close with the enemy
Senior Member
Joined
May 22, 2006
Messages
1,896
Reaction score
240
I was reading about USS Long Beach (CGN-9).
It stated that she was first laid out to be a smaller frigate, but expanded to a cruiser hull due to the ship being slated for the Regulus nuclear cruise missile and later, 4 launching tubes for the Polaris SLBM!

Does anyone know if there are any drawings / artist works of her in her original frigate configuration?
Also is there any drawings / artist work of her with these four Polaris SLBM's?
Especially artist impressions of Long Beach firing these planned SLBM's

Thanks in advance!!
Pioneer
 

Antonio

ACCESS: Top Secret
Staff member
Senior Member
Joined
Jan 22, 2006
Messages
3,510
Reaction score
242
You should take a look Friedman's "US Cruisers" pg 403 for info about the USS Long Beach origins. there are some scheme drawings but no contemporary artist work on it.

According to the book, the beginning of the CLGN study series (9-January-1956) was a 570 x 55 feet, 8,900 tons ship with two 5-in/54s forward and a Terrier aft. She also has quintuple antisurface-ship torpedo tubes amidships.

It seems the ship was classified a cruiser from the beginning. And the bigger selected design was not influenced by the possible instalation of Regulus and Polaris. The inclusion of that weapons would have meant an even bigger ship.
 

Antonio

ACCESS: Top Secret
Staff member
Senior Member
Joined
Jan 22, 2006
Messages
3,510
Reaction score
242
I have only seen that info about she was first considered a frigate from the wikipedia. I haven't seen it from my books.
The USN refered to its DL category (Destroyer leaders http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Navy_destroyer_leaders) also as frigates. (In analogy to the Saling era frigates)

The dimensions and weapons of the very first design for the future USS Long Beach were very similar to the DL category but it was classified as cruiser from the first moment.

Notes:

Ships in the DL class were reclassified to Destroyers or Cruisers in early 70's.

Destroyer Leader definiton: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroyer_leader
 

Antonio

ACCESS: Top Secret
Staff member
Senior Member
Joined
Jan 22, 2006
Messages
3,510
Reaction score
242
from Friedman's book:
the ship was actually built with foundations for 8 Polaris launch tubes
This tubes should had been placed amidships I guess, the same location considered for the Regulus system. There are no drawings in the book showing neither the Regulus nor the Polaris.

But I have found this art work from Björn Landströms "The Ship: an illustrated history". You can see the Regulus instalation here.
 

Attachments

  • img058.jpg
    img058.jpg
    533.1 KB · Views: 1,359

Pioneer

Seek out and close with the enemy
Senior Member
Joined
May 22, 2006
Messages
1,896
Reaction score
240
Hay pometablava

Thanks for your help and great snippets of info
Been meaning to reply earlier, but I have been bush the good part of a week



Regards
Pioneer
 

Howedar

ACCESS: Confidential
Joined
Sep 24, 2008
Messages
58
Reaction score
0
The latter is interesting in that it shows the huge block superstructure but only conventional rotating radars (seemingly SPS-39 and... it's hard to tell beyond that).

The former (which I christen "Bubble Beach") is just freaking bizarre. No visible search sets to speak of, other than a bloated SPS-10. The RAT amidships (and it is indeed the twin-ready-round RAT) is notable.
 

Graham1973

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Dec 16, 2010
Messages
1,528
Reaction score
264
RyanCrierie said:
This might be related to the CGN-9 Early Designs. Don't know.

I once read that before they settled on the Long Beach, there were some earlier larger Nuclear Cruiser designs with what were described as four shaft power-plants, I've never been able to run down information on those proposals, but that might be related to those proposals.

Edit: I've been trying to remember where I saw the information above. The book that came to mind was "Conway's All the worlds Warships 1947-1982". I'm going to try and find a copy and confirm this.
 

Arjen

It's turtles all the way down
Senior Member
Joined
Nov 6, 2010
Messages
2,748
Reaction score
534
Although Long Beach is a substantial ship at over 14,000t, she stands in contrast to much larger nuclear cruisers proposed in the mid-1950s, with four-shaft plants more closely approaching traditional cruiser power.
Conway's All the World's Fighting Ships 1947-1995
 

Graham1973

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Dec 16, 2010
Messages
1,528
Reaction score
264
Arjen said:
Although Long Beach is a substantial ship at over 14,000t, she stands in contrast to much larger nuclear cruisers proposed in the mid-1950s, with four-shaft plants more closely approaching traditional cruiser power.
Conway's All the World's Fighting Ships 1947-1995

Thanks, I'd found that a copy of the 1947-82 version was in the State library but had no chance to check it out. Now, has anyone been able to find out anything about those earlier designs?
 

Arjen

It's turtles all the way down
Senior Member
Joined
Nov 6, 2010
Messages
2,748
Reaction score
534
You would need some early 'fifties editons of Jane's Fighting Ships, I once held a copy in my hands but I was out of cash at the time.
 

Grey Havoc

The path not taken.
Senior Member
Joined
Oct 9, 2009
Messages
11,887
Reaction score
2,030
Howedar said:
The former (which I christen "Bubble Beach") is just freaking bizarre. No visible search sets to speak of, other than a bloated SPS-10. The RAT amidships (and it is indeed the twin-ready-round RAT) is notable.

For those members who are unfamilar with this weapon: http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app4/rat.html
 

moin1900

ACCESS: Secret
Joined
Jan 28, 2008
Messages
456
Reaction score
20
Cruiser of Tommorow
"SALU" nuclear powered guided missile cruiser concept art.
ALL HANDS MAGAZINE
1956 JUNE Page 35
http://www.navy.mil/ah_online/department_arch1956.html

Long Beach with Polaris launcher concept art.
ALL Hands Magazine
1961 MAY PAGE 34
http://www.navy.mil/ah_online/department_arch1961.html

An artist's concept of a Laser Fleet Air Defense Weapon
https://research.archives.gov/id/6386999
 

Tzoli

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Feb 1, 2011
Messages
1,450
Reaction score
760
I've once found the image showing that WW2 paint scheme of the Long Beach variant on the entire hull:
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x390/navydavesof/iphone092_zps4a82a3a4.jpg
 
Last edited:

Antonio

ACCESS: Top Secret
Staff member
Senior Member
Joined
Jan 22, 2006
Messages
3,510
Reaction score
242
If a bigger version is needed I can post the rest of the image I attached in 2009...the book is still on my bookshelf ;-)
 

Tzoli

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Feb 1, 2011
Messages
1,450
Reaction score
760
That would be nice. The drawings clearly shows the final Long Beach with some differences like a Regulus II rather a Regulus I of the preliminaries or Polaris as envisoned for her when laid down, not to mention the octogonal Bridge which is only a feature of the preliminaries. I do like to know the last designs offered to the board before choosing which one to build!
 

Tzoli

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Feb 1, 2011
Messages
1,450
Reaction score
760
Thank you!
Interesting, it seems to lack the second pair of Terrier Guidance radars and no storage space for the Regulus II? Apart from the missing SPS-32/33 radars it looks interesting in this WW2 camo scheme!
 

Antonio

ACCESS: Top Secret
Staff member
Senior Member
Joined
Jan 22, 2006
Messages
3,510
Reaction score
242
Interesting, it seems to lack the second pair of Terrier Guidance radars and no storage space for the Regulus II? Apart from the missing SPS-32/33 radars it looks interesting in this WW2 camo scheme!

Edited in 1961, the text in the book is most divulgative than authoritative. Since he illustrated an intermediate configuration, I shouldn't take a 100% accuracy for granted. The camouflage is "wartime supposition" according to the author's own words. I think we should better take it with a grain of salt.


 

Similar threads

Top