Douglas F3D Competitors

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In 1945 the Aeronautics Bureau issue a requirement for all weather fighter,

only four companies participate :-

1) Douglas F3D Model ----?.
2) Curtiss Model ----?.
3) Fleetwings Model ----?.
4) Grumman G ----?.

can anyone identify them ?.
 
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Hi hesham.

Grumman G-75(XF9F-1) participated in competition.
 
Re: F3D Competitors

Dear Tophe,

if you have the book Curtiss since 1907-1947,please tell us the Curtiss
proposal for this competition and also for A3D competition.
 
Re: F3D Competitors

You have to wonder if the Curtiss entry wasn't a navalized version of the XF-87 "Blackhawk"?
 
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By the way,

the source for this info was the book,The American Fighter since 1917 to the
present,and the Fleetwings submitted a proposal and the Curtiss also,but it
was not Curtiss-Wright as we think.
 
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Now we can say,and from Tailspin explanations,


the contenders were;


1) Douglas F3D Model-561
2) Curtiss Model-? or P-?
3) Grumman G-75 (XF9F-1)
4) Fleetwings Model-?
5) Goodyear GA-13
 
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hesham said:
Now we can say,and from Tailspin explanations,


the contenders were;


1) Douglas F3D Model-561
2) Curtiss Model-? or P-?
3) Grumman G-75 (XF9F-1)
4) Fleetwings Model-?
5) Goodyear GA-13

I haven't seen a Fleetwings proposal. Curtiss-Wright did propose. Also Consolidated Vultee (VF-4505), Bell (D-31), and Vought (V-343).
 
Very great work my dear Tailspin,

thank you,and if there is any info about Bell D-31 and VF-4505 or drawings,that will
be nice.

For the competition,the contenders were;


1) Douglas F3D Model-561
2) Bell D-31
3) Grumman G-75 (XF9F-1)
4) Convair VF-4505
5) Goodyear GA-13
6) Vought V-343
7) Fleetwings Model-?
8) Curtiss Wright Model-? or P-?
 
My dear Tailspin,


please if you have a drawings to Bell D-31 and Convair VF-4505,that will be
great.
 
hesham said:
My dear Tailspin,
please if you have a drawings to Bell D-31 and Convair VF-4505,that will be
great.

Note that the "Model D-31" is how it was identified on the Bell proposal. It is not the Bell Model 31.
 

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Wow, Tommy! This is great. There definitely IS an F3D feel about the Convair. Wonder if the general layout was already provided by the Navy as a canvass for the manufacturers to work from.
 
Perfect my dear Tailspin,


thank you very much,and please,if you have the drawings to Goodyear GA-13 and
Vought V-343,I will be grateful for you.
 
hesham said:
Perfect my dear Tailspin,


thank you very much,and please,if you have the drawings to Goodyear GA-13 and
Vought V-343,I will be grateful for you.
 

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Oh my God,


many many thanks to you my dear Tailspin,very very interesting projects,
you made my day.
 
hesham said:
For the competition,the contenders were;

1) Douglas F3D Model-561
2) Bell D-31
3) Grumman G-75 (XF9F-1)
4) Convair VF-4505
5) Goodyear GA-13
6) Vought V-343
7) Fleetwings Model-?
8) Curtiss Wright Model-? or P-?


Nothing about Fleetwings to this moment ?.
 
PaulMM (Overscan) said:
No. There's an undated proposal at LARA for the Navy -


Fleetwings Kaiser Flying Wing


Thank you my dear Paul,


and I hope that,we can get it.
 
For the competition,the contenders were;

1) Douglas F3D Model-561
2) Bell D-31
3) Grumman G-75 (XF9F-1)
4) Convair VF-4505
5) Goodyear GA-13
6) Vought V-343
7) Fleetwings Model-?
8) Curtiss Wright Model-? or P-?

I think for Fleetwings,it was Model 50 or 51,because the Model 52 was a helicopter project,created for a competition of September 1945,and this contest was issued in August 1945 ?.
 
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I think not,it's a flying wing design,please see reply # 16 by my
dear PaulMM.
The Kaiser Flying Wing was tentatively designated XBF-1 by the Navy, so it was considered a bomber and not a fighter.
 
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