Douglas F3D Competitors

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
28,551
Reaction score
6,291
In 1945 the Aeronautics Bureau issue a requirement for all weather fighter,

only four companies participate :-

1) Douglas F3D Model ----?.
2) Curtiss Model ----?.
3) Fleetwings Model ----?.
4) Grumman G ----?.

can anyone identify them ?.
 

devi

ACCESS: Confidential
Joined
Jul 17, 2006
Messages
118
Reaction score
5
Re: F3D Competitors

Hi hesham.

Grumman G-75(XF9F-1) participated in competition.
 

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
28,551
Reaction score
6,291
Re: F3D Competitors

Dear Tophe,

if you have the book Curtiss since 1907-1947,please tell us the Curtiss
proposal for this competition and also for A3D competition.
 

elmayerle

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Jan 8, 2006
Messages
1,444
Reaction score
327
Re: F3D Competitors

You have to wonder if the Curtiss entry wasn't a navalized version of the XF-87 "Blackhawk"?
 

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
28,551
Reaction score
6,291
Re: F3D Competitors

By the way,

the source for this info was the book,The American Fighter since 1917 to the
present,and the Fleetwings submitted a proposal and the Curtiss also,but it
was not Curtiss-Wright as we think.
 

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
28,551
Reaction score
6,291
Re: F3D Competitors

Now we can say,and from Tailspin explanations,


the contenders were;


1) Douglas F3D Model-561
2) Curtiss Model-? or P-?
3) Grumman G-75 (XF9F-1)
4) Fleetwings Model-?
5) Goodyear GA-13
 

Tailspin Turtle

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Dec 6, 2007
Messages
702
Reaction score
158
Website
www.tommythomason.com
Re: F3D Competitors

hesham said:
Now we can say,and from Tailspin explanations,


the contenders were;


1) Douglas F3D Model-561
2) Curtiss Model-? or P-?
3) Grumman G-75 (XF9F-1)
4) Fleetwings Model-?
5) Goodyear GA-13

I haven't seen a Fleetwings proposal. Curtiss-Wright did propose. Also Consolidated Vultee (VF-4505), Bell (D-31), and Vought (V-343).
 

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
28,551
Reaction score
6,291
Very great work my dear Tailspin,

thank you,and if there is any info about Bell D-31 and VF-4505 or drawings,that will
be nice.

For the competition,the contenders were;


1) Douglas F3D Model-561
2) Bell D-31
3) Grumman G-75 (XF9F-1)
4) Convair VF-4505
5) Goodyear GA-13
6) Vought V-343
7) Fleetwings Model-?
8) Curtiss Wright Model-? or P-?
 

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
28,551
Reaction score
6,291
My dear Tailspin,


please if you have a drawings to Bell D-31 and Convair VF-4505,that will be
great.
 

Tailspin Turtle

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Dec 6, 2007
Messages
702
Reaction score
158
Website
www.tommythomason.com
hesham said:
My dear Tailspin,
please if you have a drawings to Bell D-31 and Convair VF-4505,that will be
great.

Note that the "Model D-31" is how it was identified on the Bell proposal. It is not the Bell Model 31.
 

Attachments

  • CV VF-4505 web.jpg
    CV VF-4505 web.jpg
    385.8 KB · Views: 673
  • Bell Model D-31 cutaway crop.jpg
    Bell Model D-31 cutaway crop.jpg
    442.5 KB · Views: 386
  • Bell Model D-31 Three View Web.jpg
    Bell Model D-31 Three View Web.jpg
    374.1 KB · Views: 369

Stargazer2006

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 25, 2009
Messages
13,221
Reaction score
858
Wow, Tommy! This is great. There definitely IS an F3D feel about the Convair. Wonder if the general layout was already provided by the Navy as a canvass for the manufacturers to work from.
 

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
28,551
Reaction score
6,291
Perfect my dear Tailspin,


thank you very much,and please,if you have the drawings to Goodyear GA-13 and
Vought V-343,I will be grateful for you.
 

Tailspin Turtle

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Dec 6, 2007
Messages
702
Reaction score
158
Website
www.tommythomason.com
hesham said:
Perfect my dear Tailspin,


thank you very much,and please,if you have the drawings to Goodyear GA-13 and
Vought V-343,I will be grateful for you.
 

Attachments

  • Goodyear  GA-13 Three View.jpg
    Goodyear GA-13 Three View.jpg
    575.8 KB · Views: 556
  • Vought V343-A Three View.jpg
    Vought V343-A Three View.jpg
    490.3 KB · Views: 523
  • Vought V343B 3 view web.jpg
    Vought V343B 3 view web.jpg
    606.4 KB · Views: 235

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
28,551
Reaction score
6,291
Oh my God,


many many thanks to you my dear Tailspin,very very interesting projects,
you made my day.
 

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
28,551
Reaction score
6,291
hesham said:
For the competition,the contenders were;

1) Douglas F3D Model-561
2) Bell D-31
3) Grumman G-75 (XF9F-1)
4) Convair VF-4505
5) Goodyear GA-13
6) Vought V-343
7) Fleetwings Model-?
8) Curtiss Wright Model-? or P-?


Nothing about Fleetwings to this moment ?.
 

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
28,551
Reaction score
6,291
PaulMM (Overscan) said:
No. There's an undated proposal at LARA for the Navy -


Fleetwings Kaiser Flying Wing


Thank you my dear Paul,


and I hope that,we can get it.
 
Top