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Chinese Liaoning Carrier enters service (former Soviet carrier Varyag)

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sferrin said:
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The fact that after all these years Chinese observers must resort to CGI to show progress on the Chinese carrier program is a sad commentary on the state of PLAN carrier operations.
That sounds like wishful thinking there.
IMO it simply the lack of interest or knowledge of this certain reporter ! ;)

Any way ...
 

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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_CHINA_AIRCRAFT_CARRIER?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-12-24-02-08-31
 

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Many more J-15 from just released footage. 13 at least.
also...I would ignore certain "contributions"...as they pretty much follow one single line only..unfortunately


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXQkPvz-YLg
 

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http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/27/asia/china-aircraft-carrier-pacific/index.html

http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=39564&page=83#entry1284933
 

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Apparently the new chinese carrier cruising the Pacific is sending a message. A very short message if push comes to shove.
 

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I remember when they said she'd never be in front line service and would be only used for training...oh how naive we were :-[
 

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muttbutt said:
I remember when they said she'd never be in front line service and would be only used for training...oh how naive we were :-[
Not everybody. I was totally confident this is exactly what would happen back when they bought their $20 million "casino". I thought we were the dumbest retards on the block for not outbidding them and buying it ourselves. Even at $5 billion and made into a reef off Florida it would have been cheap and money well spent.
 

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Is it really that scary?
I wasn't quite three years old when the keel was laid, its spent the best part of twenty years a floating hulk and the Chinese must have spent a lot of cash and manpower to bring it back to a fit condition. I don't know if the Chinese installed a new powerplant or not but the original Soviet steam plant in Kuznetsov has been less than reliable and I note the Chinese burst a steam line during sea trials. Also look at the problems the Indians have had with Vikramaditya's plant despite the expensive overhaul.

I've no doubt the Chinese will use her as a training ship. They've never even operated a helicopter carrier before. They need to train the airgroup, the deck handling crew and also get their tactical organisation set-up and find out how to actually run carrier operations and where strategically a carrier will fit in. It will probably take them far longer to actually successfully operate a carrier task force than it will for them to build a couple more carriers. When Liaoning was Riga, Western analysts were writing about Soviet use in power projection (statements like the Su-25 was to offer ground support for just such operations) and they never really grasped these were defensive air-defence ships. Liaoning's Chinese copies will perform the same role, but it might take the Chinese time to really discover what they want, at times it looks like aping the other superpower in copying the US style. The Chinese might not realise quite how resource intensive carrier groups will be, many destroyers are going to be tied up protecting the future carriers, that could have dividends for the USN too.
 

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Beautiful set!
Thank you, Deino.
 

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No black smoke with this carrier then.
 

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What's the Escort group consist of Deino ?, any mention of the ship types or names ?
 

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Geoff_B said:
What's the Escort group consist of Deino ?, any mention of the ship types or names ?
Yeppp ... her escorting vessels were
2 Type 052C destroyers - the 151 Zhengzhou / ESF and 171 Haikou / SSF
1 Type 052D destroyer - the 173 Changsha / SSF
2 Type 054 frigates - the 538 Yantai and 547 Linyi, both NSF
1 Type 056A anti-submarine corvette - the 594 Zhuzhou / SSF
1 Type 903A oil-tanker - the 966 Gaoyouhu / ESF

+ we know one image of an Type 093 SSBN
 

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Deino said:
Geoff_B said:
What's the Escort group consist of Deino ?, any mention of the ship types or names ?
Yeppp ... her escorting vessels were
2 Type 052C destroyers - the 151 Zhengzhou / ESF and 171 Haikou / SSF
1 Type 052D destroyer - the 173 Changsha / SSF
2 Type 054 frigates - the 538 Yantai and 547 Linyi, both NSF
1 Type 056A anti-submarine corvette - the 594 Zhuzhou / SSF
1 Type 903A oil-tanker - the 966 Gaoyouhu / ESF

+ we know one image of an Type 093 SSBN
Thanks Deino
 

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http://chinapower.csis.org/aircraft-carrier/
 

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Yes, it's real ... reportedly taken from a lecture of Professor Ma Weiming - the main leader of the Chinese PLAN EMALS project at the Chinese Academy of Engineering – the first clearer image was released showing the J-15T prototype (no. 1x1) reportedly at the EMALS-catapult position.

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