Jemiba said:It's probably me, but I cannot fing any mention of a CGN in that article:
"... further two destroyers, an assault nuclear submarine and one supply ship"
With regards to fighting power, conventional or nuclear propulsion seems only to
matter for the accompanying attack submarines.
The guys over at the Sino Defense Forum have been China watchers before being a China watcher was cool. A quick look at the Chinese Carrier Strike Group follows.
CV-16 Liaoning (50~60,000 tons)
3 x Type 054A Frigate (4000 tons ea.)
2 x Type 051C (7100 tons ea.)
1 x Type 052C (7000 tons ea.)
1 x Type 071 LPD (17,000 tons ea.)
3 x Type 093G SSN (Unknown tonnage)
That's a 103,000 tons minimum CSG. Note (1) the lack of an air wing aboard CV-16 at this time. Once operational the Liaoning is expected to host approx. 24 ~ 36
J-15s. Note (2) the lack of any replenishment vessels. Note (3) only the 052C is AEGIS capable and likely co-ordinates the entire fleet air defense. This in of itself is
a weakness as it denotes a single point of failure but also tells us that the battle management software across the fleet is standardized and highly advanced to
allow for this type of co-ordination.
At this time, it is unknown what type of mission this formation is designed for. However, we know that this is a real dedicatd CSG and not just cobbled together for
a photo op. The PLAN is now able to field a near bluewater CSG in addition to covering all of its home bases.
JFC Fuller said:Thanks Deino! Shame they put that text box right over where one would expect to see a dipping sonar hatch.
President Xi bestows military honors
BEIJING, Aug. 27 (Xinhua) -- Chinese President Xi Jinping has signed an order of commendation to honor the crew of the first aircraft carrier-based fighter jet.
According to the commendation order, a test squadron of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Air Force were granted a honorary title for successfully conducting the take-off and landing tests of J-15 fighters on the Liaoning, China's sole aircraft carrier.
The order spoke highly of the squadron in the exploration and development of the J-15 fighter jet. Two test pilots of the squadron sacrificed their lives during the tests.
The commendation order urged all military personnel to learn from the squadron in cultivating combat-ready awareness, honing their skills and rooting out undesirable work styles.
Dai Mingmeng, the first J-15 pilot to have conducted a successful take-off and landing on the Liaoning, was granted a honorary title individually.
One unit and another 24 individuals were also awarded by commendation orders sighed by Xi,, in his role of chairman of the Central Military Commission, on Wednesday.
PLA Unit 91053 was awarded a third-class merit citation for outstanding contribution to major tasks.
Zheng Hui, senior engineer with the Headquarters of the General Staff; Zheng Yonghuang, chief engineer of the PLA 63620 Unit; Wang Hongli, commanding officer of the PLA 92474 Unit; Zou Jianguo, a pilot; and Cai Hongxia, chief head nurse of the 261 Hospital psychiatry department, were awarded first-class merit citations.
Liu Xiaoming, a late military instructor at PLA Information Engineering University was posthumously awarded a first-class merit citation.
Six individuals were awarded second-class merit citations and another 12 were awarded third-class merit citations.
The original source never said or hinted the two died testing J15. What it did say:
-This is to honour the long time contribution from this unit
-Two pilots from this unit died on their job
-This unit made great contribution to J-15 carriar program.
In fact, the word 圆满 indicate that the two deaths were not related to J15, at least not at sea. Otherwise it cannot be called 圆满。
God damn reporters are lazy/fucking incompetent, particularly when they don't actually speak the language.
The original news article in Chinese is here. It mentions two "comrades" gave their lives, but does not identify them as pilots. The video goes into detail as to who was given commendations.
This is fake news. Actually the unit citation said two test pilots had died in the history of this unit. The accidents actually happened in the 1990's. They have nothing to do with the carrier. It's a case of poor understanding of Chinese, and a classic case of how rumors and fake news spread these days, everyone quoting everyone else. Another recent example was the alleged failure of the Wu-14 supersonic flight test.
Yes, I do mean that. The original Chinese is quite clear. The English services of Chinese news organizations are notoriously poor.
From former test pilot Xu Yongling, the two test pilots died three years ago, had nothing to do with the carrier. Probably test flying the J11BS?
Yes there was a malfunction, and here is the paragraph describing the incident, with my translation. smile Since PLA reportings tend to exaggerate the efforts of recipients of awards I wouldn't be surprised if the actual incident is less intense as it sounded. If it's truly a major steam release event there is absolutely no way that those guys conducted the repair in the manner describe.
"During a sea trial, aft boiler room feed water pipe developed a leak, large amount of boiler water and steam was released, the room is filled with vapor. After being notified, Lou Fuqiang immediately arrived at the scene and ordered that people ranked squad leader and above to be stayed and everyone else evacuate the area. He lifted HIS OWN collar and went in, his hair got wet, he got burns, his shirt ripped, under his leadership everyone put up a selfless effort. They use touch when they can't see, they went down to the bottom of the room where catwalks are too high, and finally restored power, and ensured the smooth operation of the ship".
According to the Chinese version, it was a leakage from one of the hot water pipes that caused hot water and steam pouring into the boiler room, the said sailor pulled up his own collar (probably to protect himself from the heat) (not as mentioned in English version where he pulled someone by his collar) and rushed into the boilder room to carry out emergency repair. Together with others they managed to restor the boiler power to ensure the ship continue its operation.
chuck4 said:Chinese phase array radar, Chinese CIWS and point defense missiles. The recovery system and ILS is still Russian, I believe. They seemed to have followed the original ship design as closely as they can while substituting intended weapons and sensors for Chinese items.
Oh, the boilers and engines are probably Chinese too. The ship didn't come with these.
Xu Zengping disclosed that the militarily sensitive original engines of the carrier were intact when Ukraine sold the vessel in 1998. This is contrary to what Beijing told the world at the time.
The "four intact engines had been perfectly grease-sealed" after work stopped on the vessel in 1992, presenting an enticing engineering package for a country seeking a leg up for its military.
It is the first time anyone linked to the deal has confirmed publicly the engines were in place at the time of purchase. Earlier reports said the vessel's power generation system was removed at Ukraine's Nikolayev South Shipyard on the Black Sea along with its electronics and weaponry before Xu bought it in 1998 for US$20 million.
"When I was taken to the carrier's engine room by the shipyard's chief engineer, I found all four engines were brand new and carefully grease-sealed, each of them originally costing US$20 million," Xu said. He said a refit finished in 2011 restored the four engines to operating condition.
kaiserbill said:It appears China got an absolute bargain on this whole deal.
Grey Havoc said:
sferrin said:Makes you wonder why the US just didn't outbid them.
Triton said:sferrin said:Makes you wonder why the US just didn't outbid them.
Did the United States government ever try to buy the hulk of the Varyag? Would the American people have laughed off the Clinton Administration if they had wanted to buy the hulk of a Soviet Union aircraft carrier for $20 million? What possible reason could they give for the purchase? What was the scrap value of the hulk? Did United States intelligence know at the time that Agencia Turistica e Diversoes Chong Lot was a shell company and that plans to convert the hulk to a floating hotel and casino were entirely untrue?
In 1998, if anyone had said that the hulk of the aircraft carrier Varyag was in fact going to the People's Republic of China to be refurbished into a sea-going warship, most people would have dismissed you as both crazy and offensive. At the time, most of us were totally unaware of the fraud and corruption concerning the purchase of the Varyag hulk. Would anyone have wanted to sour the trading and political relationship between the People's Republic of China and the United State with such an outrageous theory? Hindsight is 20/20. The People's Republic of China perpetrated an elaborate fraud to deceive us.
sorry guys but this photo is actually a CG done by 西葛西造舰, he has done alot of top of the class CGs of PLAN ships including 055 and future aircraft carrier. he has made a claim on weibo about this photo being his and that it was made in 2013.
VH said:The fact that after all these years Chinese observers must resort to CGI to show progress on the Chinese carrier program is a sad commentary on the state of PLAN carrier operations.