British Specification B.11/41 for a high-speed bomber

[Maveric]

Hi all,

found this drawing... ??? Anybody have more infos?

Servus Maveric

 

[borovik]

Re: RAE B.11/41

Little information here:
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,545.0/

 

[zerstorer1946]

Re: RAE B.11/41

aaah what a goregeous design!
i feel a scratchbuilt model coming on!

 

[Pioneer]

Re: RAE B.11/41

In a sense I see this a somewhat British equivalent program to that of the Douglas XB-43 Jetmaster, in attempting of deriving a heavy bomber role into a smaller and (most importantly) cheaper to manufacture design?

Well just a thought!

Regards
Pioneer

 

[zerstorer1946]

Re: RAE B.11/41

yes pioneer, i agree.
It does seem to fit into that category, doesnt it? .

 

[cluttonfred]

Re: RAE B.11/41

The wing planform is very reminiscent of the Westland-Hill Pterodactyl designs, as if the designer liked the clear fields of fire to the rear of the Westlands but distrusted the tailless pitch stability and added a small canard. Belt AND suspenders....

Here is the lovely Pterodactyl MkVII for comparison.

 

[robunos]

Re: RAE B.11/41

the miles M.39 libellula was also proposed for B11/41, and the M.39B scale model built and tested....

cheers,
Robin.

 

[Kevin Renner]

Re: RAE B.11/41

A twin engined AssEnder : :

 

[hesham]

From my dear PMN1,

and from the site; warbirdsforum,here is the Hawker P.1005 for
the Spec. B11/41.

http://www.warbirdsforum.com/showthread.php?t=383&highlight=hawker+high+speed

 

[archipeppe]

Re: Hawker B11/40 high-speed bomber

She is a beauty!

Yep and it looks a little "Dornier-ish".....

 

[brewerjerry]

Re: Hawker B11/41 high-speed bomber

Hi
Anyone know what the DH101, to the same spec, B11/41, looked like ?
Cheers
Jerry

 

[DWG]

Re: Hawker B11/41 high-speed bomber

Anyone know what the DH101, to the same spec, B11/41, looked like ?

The DH 99/101 was the three crew Super Mosquito with twin Sabres and was dropped when DH were told Sabres wouldn't be available as DH didn't think the Griffin 61 was an adequate replacement. A slightly smaller Griffin or Merlin 61 Mosquito II was then schemed as the DH 102, but abandoned to concentrate on the Hornet and Vampire.

Both the DH 101 and the Hawker P1005 are described in BSP: Fighters and Bombers 1935-50.

 

[blackkite]

Re: Hawker B11/41 high-speed bomber

Hi! Hawker P.1005 Mockup picture.

http://picssr.com/photos/68286707@N00/page43?nsid=68286707@N00
http://firearmcentral.wikia.com/wiki/Hawker_P.1005?file=Hawker P.1005 Mockup 1.png

Hawker P.1005 Twin-Engine, Three-Seat High-Speed Light Bomber / Heavy Fighter
https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=1717

P.1005 had six radiators which located around each engine.

B.11/41 OR.110 High-speed high-altitude unarmed bomber de Havilland DH.99(Modified Mosquito with two Sabre engine(Later called DH.101)), Hawker P.1005, Miles M.39

Miles M.39B was a 5/8ths scale flying model of M.39 Libellula. Sorry for off topic.
https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/295408056791201801/?lp=true
http://www.oocities.org/heartland/village/4082/brit/odd_air.htm
http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/xplane/m39/
http://www.airvectors.net/avcanfit.html

"However, the M.35 demonstrator seemed so promising that Miles had gone forward without a pause on development of a fast medium bomber, under the general cover of Air Ministry specification B.11/41, issued to encourage development of a successor to the de Havilland Mosquito. The bomber was given the designation of "M.39" and was to be powered by three Power Jets W.2/500 centrifugal-flow turbojets or equivalent powerplants, giving a top speed of 800 KPH (500 MPH). Since the turbojets might not be available at the outset, twin piston engines -- Rolls-Royce Merlins were seen as the preferred powerplants -- were considered as an alternative, with the aircraft's configuration allowing considerable commonality between the jet and piston versions."

M.35, M.39B and M.39 model picture.
http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2007/01/stuff_eng_hrubisko_miles_02.htm

 

[blackkite]

Hi! Hawker P.1005 mockup picture.
https://firearmcentral.fandom.com/wiki/Hawker_P.1005

 

[hesham]

From Aerofan 2020,

the Hawker P.1005.

 

[blackkite]

Hi! M.39.
Source : Youtube as you already watched.

 

[archipeppe]

From Aerofan 2020,

the Hawker P.1005.

Nice finding Hesham!

Interestingly the P.1005 seems to have a design more Italian (Zappata for instance) rather than English...

 

[Foo Fighter]

I was thinking it had elements of the Do-17 about it.