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Bell V-247 armed Tiltrotor drone for the Marines

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It's kind of hidden in the stills, but the video seems to show an AIM-9 (AIM-9X?) on a hardpoint under the fuselage. Looks like the side internal weapon bays are gone now, but there might be one internal bay on centerline.

Also, the IFR probe is a new addition.
 

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AIM-9X: yes



Probe:
I think the central mid-nose position would invite a fair share of delicate situation while refueling. I understand that it is extensible but the position won't offer the possibility to extend the full length of the fuselage as if it was mounted externally under the fuselage (podded).

Winglets:
That's surprise me to see them mounted directly behind the prop-wash.
EDIT: that was only the canted angle of the outer wings panels. My bad.
 

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TomS said:
Moose said:
Amazing to see it fitting in essentially the same space as an -8C Fire Scout.
The righthand aircraft is a UH-1Y. A fair bit bigger than a Fire Scout -8C

Edit: The target for MUX is to fit in the same footprint as a folded UH-1Y, which this seems to do, more or less. The folded dimensions for a UH-1Y are roughly 4m x 17.8m. For comparison, an MQ-8C with blades folded is 2.4m ×10.6m.
I believe one of the stated goals for this program is to have an air vehicle that would fit into the hanger space on smaller combatants. This means they it has to be small enough for crew to conduct maintenance on the vehicle inside the hanger.
 

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Looks like it would fit a DDG-51 hangar -- the SH-60B is a bit shorter but wider than a UH-1Y when folded, and the V-247 seems about the same.
 

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TomS said:
Moose said:
Amazing to see it fitting in essentially the same space as an -8C Fire Scout.
The righthand aircraft is a UH-1Y. A fair bit bigger than a Fire Scout -8C

Edit: The target for MUX is to fit in the same footprint as a folded UH-1Y, which this seems to do, more or less. The folded dimensions for a UH-1Y are roughly 4m x 17.8m. For comparison, an MQ-8C with blades folded is 2.4m ×10.6m.
You're right of course, teach me to not pour over these without my specs on. I hate getting old.
 

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They should really think about an "air warfare" package for the Independence class LCS with their 100 foot wide flight deck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Un3iz1yELw
 

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I fear that an unmodified WWII era CVE would be a more survivable platform.
 

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Grey Havoc said:
I fear that an unmodified WWII era CVE would be a more survivable platform.
A WWII battleship outfitted with Aegis would be more survivable still but we don't have any of those either. ;) A Zumwalt on the other hand also has a large flight deck. . .
 

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WWII carrier battles showed that hitting first mattered since all carriers were no match for bombs/torpedos. For that matter, the Yamato showed that having 70,000 tons of steel can't save you either. Like tanks and APG rockets, explosives get through.

I would be surprised if WWII escort carriers (built off modified cargo ship hulls) matched the level of water tight compartmenting of the LCS designs and they certainly weren't going to be speeding around at 40Kts during evasive maneuvers.

Anything that can kill an LCS can probably kill a frigate. In the end though, what really counts is active defense. These days, a tank without active defense is as much a target as a threat even with all the armor plating it carries. Sensors and range superiority determines who hits first and a 1000lb bomb (dropped from a V-247) won't care if you have another inch of steel on your hull.
 

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170kt loitering speed
240 cruise
280 dash
12hr isr mission
torpedo, sonobuoy amraam (!),sdb, up to 16 hellfire
center engine, shaft and gearboxes with diedral wing
 

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yasotay said:
Jack of all trades, master of none (?)
Useful for a multirole combatant.
 

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V-247 freshly painted with "U.S. Army" on the side. Attracted some interest. Note the six common launch tubes on the bottom of the aircraft. Have a better picture of them that I will post.
 

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yasotay said:
V-247 freshly painted with "U.S. Army" on the side. Attracted some interest. Note the six common launch tubes on the bottom of the aircraft. Have a better picture of them that I will post.
On the other hand, the Army is putting the demo program which V-247 seemed to be aiming for on hold to focus funding on FVL.
 

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yasotay said:
V-247 freshly painted with "U.S. Army" on the side. Attracted some interest. Note the six common launch tubes on the bottom of the aircraft. Have a better picture of them that I will post.
On the other hand, the Army is putting the demo program which V-247 seemed to be aiming for on hold to focus funding on FVL.
You mean NGUAS-TD? I heard something along those lines too.
Cool pics, BTW. I was wondering, what are the lower fuselage fairings for? that's not where the landing gear retracts from the looks of it.
 

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Actually the fairings on the fuselage are "pods" for armaments, such as rocket pods and SDB and the like. Have a better picture of the common launch tube locations on the bottom of the aircraft that I will post here once I find the darn thing.
 

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You know, have they shown any images of what they'd consider a control station for this type of drone? It seems to me, you'd want a lot more situational awareness for the pilot, maybe an actual virtual cockpit, but I can't recall them ever talking about the ground side station.
 

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You know, have they shown any images of what they'd consider a control station for this type of drone? It seems to me, you'd want a lot more situational awareness for the pilot, maybe an actual virtual cockpit, but I can't recall them ever talking about the ground side station.
They have talked about it using a VR display to see the video from a distributed camera system on the aircraft, so that the operator can look anywhere outside the airframe.

 

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You know, have they shown any images of what they'd consider a control station for this type of drone? It seems to me, you'd want a lot more situational awareness for the pilot, maybe an actual virtual cockpit, but I can't recall them ever talking about the ground side station.
They have talked about it using a VR display to see the video from a distributed camera system on the aircraft, so that the operator can look anywhere outside the airframe.

One word: Bandwidth
 

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One word: Bandwidth
Oh, I know...

Probably not too bad in naval environments with direct LOS to the ship. Ugly via SATCOM.
That's one thing I wonder about. All of these systems probably work great... against hte Taliban. Against people who don't have hundreds of millions of dollars to toss at their bright sorts. Who don't have access to ASAT systems.

What happens when and if we do fight said people? I mean, you can hardly claim that a satellite which is relaying information to a combat systn't is somehow not a legitimate target.

Though I do have the amusing image of a war ending because the US and China/Russia/Agressorland are staring at a battlefield littered with drones knocked out by ECM, before they somewhat sheepishly go home.
 
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