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Avro CF-105 Arrow and its variants

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Hi!
The Avro Arrow: A Picture History, Lawrence Miller

https://books.google.co.jp/books?id=7eWUzlBMAc0C&pg=PA40&lpg=PA40&dq=avro+canada+cf-103&source=bl&ots=kaASjtJxuv&sig=JVESkYPd52Ew6Qg4nw1Kec9F2No&hl=ja&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjz0veqkoDTAhWJabwKHccRBt04FBDoAQg-MAU#v=onepage&q=avro%20canada%20cf-103&f=false
 

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You may find it interesting, for it contains info (incl. drawings) of C104 versions, details of CF-105 and even info on planned infrastructure at RCAF bases.

https://documents.techno-science.ca/documents/CASM-Aircrafthistories-AvroCanadaCF-105Arrownose.pdf

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Petrus said:
You may find it interesting, for it contains info (incl. drawings) of C104 versions, details of CF-105 and even info on planned infrastructure at RCAF bases.

https://documents.techno-science.ca/documents/CASM-Aircrafthistories-AvroCanadaCF-105Arrownose.pdf

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Amazing find my dear Pertrus.
 

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Petrus said:
You may find it interesting, for it contains info (incl. drawings) of C104 versions, details of CF-105 and even info on planned infrastructure at RCAF bases.

https://documents.techno-science.ca/documents/CASM-Aircrafthistories-AvroCanadaCF-105Arrownose.pdf

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Thanks a lot. What a surprising document it is!! :eek:

Also enjoy this. ;)
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=617.0;attach=577181;image
 

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Here you've got what the Flight magazine wrote on the Arrow in 1957.

https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1957/1957%20-%201559.html
 

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Hi!

How the Avro Arrow was built.(Video)
http://www.cbc.ca/archives/entry/how-the-avro-arrow-was-built

Construction and unveiling of the Arrow(Video).
http://www.cbc.ca/archives/entry/construction-and-unveiling-of-the-arrow-no-audio

Iroquois engine rollout.(Picture)
https://issuu.com/tikit/docs/iroquoisrollout


Side view source, Missiles : 8 Hughes Falcon or 4 Douglas Sparrow Ⅱs(Cancelled).
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Fhm-i5ol8CA/UMZIDXgT5LI/AAAAAAAAAyk/1HbDxQYqsN0/s1600/profil.jpg

Control panel.
http://scaa.usask.ca/gallery/arrow/view_image.php?image=47
http://www.simulshop.com/product_info.php?products_id=545
Boundary layer control.
https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?697296-Scratch-build-Avro-Arrow/page8
 

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Hi!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-KrLvO3IpY
 

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And this picture (from the document referred to at http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,729.msg303325.html#msg303325) explains why the canopies of the Arrow's cockpit opened in such an extraordinary way. The crew apparently would get into the cockpit not from below, using ladders (as in many other jet-fighters), but rather from above, coming to the place via the catwalk leading from the crew-room at the 'Q shed' (as it is called in the RAF).

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Hi! Arrow Mk.1 diagram.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fZeYC-QUMuU/U_wCZ5_zjfI/AAAAAAAAEC4/InBVEXsogdw/s1600/Avro-Arrow-diagram.jpg
 

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I was wondering about the canopy lately. What is the advantage of getting into the aircraft from the catwalk in the Q shed versus a ladder? When they have to get out, does the ground crew have to back the aircraft into the shed? OK, I get that you save a few seconds but the rest of the time it would be a pain in the ass. You also get one more canopy seam to seal.
 

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With regards as to the Arrow replica that used to be at the (currently closed) Canadian Air and Space museum: http://www.warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=66829
 

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Wait, the aviation museum of Canada has closed ?
 

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Archibald said:
Wait, the aviation museum of Canada has closed ?
The Canadian Air And Space Museum in Toronto closed in 2011. The Canadian Aviation and Space Museum in Ottawa is still open.
 

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I'm not seeing the VTOL here. Zero-length launch just refers to the use of Rocket assist and a launch rail to get a basically conventional aircraft airborne without a runway. Landing would still require a strip of some sort.
 

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Vertical take-off and landing Avro Arrow, A.V. Roe Canada Ltd., 1958.
Nice find John,and I displayed some of them in reply # 82.
 

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Okay so some words about that connexion between the Arrow and France (Dassault). I checked on google books and now the picture gets clearer. Dassault considered the PS.13 Iroquois TWICE
- for the Mirage IVB, the fat Mirage IV that didn't needed KC-135s
And another time, before that date.
The Mirage III was frozen around the Atar 9 early 1957 but the twin Atar 9 Mirage IVA took two more years.

Between these two dates the Mirage IV design somewhat "floated" around three major designs
- a twin Atar 9 heavy fighter the size of a Phantom - the AdA said "no thanks = the fighter is the Mirage III, the two-atar will become a bomber > Mirage IV-01 and IV-A
- the Mirage IVB monster
- a single-engine fighter with only ONE engine - a scaled-up Mirage III called the Mirage IVC which encompassed both F-106 and Phantom, single and two seater, one or two engine.
Well, that's where the Iroquois enters the picture. Dassault, quite simply, wanted his own... F-106. A scaled-up Mirage IIIC that would need 9 to 12 tons of thrust. The Iroquois was right there. SNECMA was nowhere to be found.
What is quite interesting is to think that between 1956 and 1960 the Mirage III family encompassed many sizes - broadly > FD-2, F-106, Arrow, TSR-2, and B-58 in size and weights.

imagine, if the Arrow had been canned yet SNECMA had rescued Orenda and taken a licence for the Iroquois... hostie de callisse de chrisse, tabernacle, how cool would that be...
 

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- a single-engine fighter with only ONE engine - a scaled-up Mirage III called the Mirage IVC which encompassed both F-106 and Phantom, single and two seater, one or two engine.
Well, that's where the Iroquois enters the picture. Dassault, quite simply, wanted his own... F-106. A scaled-up Mirage IIIC that would need 9 to 12 tons of thrust. The Iroquois was right there.
That would be an interesting design. Do you have any more information?
 

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Maybe I have a picture in one of Jean Cuny book from the 80's... there must be further pictures in all those recent, fabulous books about Mirages.

My earlier phrase was unclear. I wanted to say the Mirage IVC existed in both single-engine (bigger Mirage IIIC) and two-engine (small Mirage IVA) variants. The former would have been F-106 like, the later was more like a Phantom, except with delta wing. Smaller than the Arrow which really huge.
It was really a bridge between the III-C and the IV-A.

attached some pages of Cuny books related to the varied Mirage IV, the naval one included.
 

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It doesn't contain drawings but the book, Requiem for a Giant by Palmiro Campagna, exposes the decision to cancel the Arrow. Apparently, the US convinced Canada to not buy, or build, l,ocal.
 
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