• Hi Guest! Forum rules have been updated. All users please read here.

Avro CF-105 Arrow and its variants

Barrington Bond

CLEARANCE: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
May 4, 2007
Messages
927
Reaction score
17
The six engine variant could be the underwing ramjet version?

Regards,
Barry
 

Apophenia

CLEARANCE: Top Secret
Joined
Jul 25, 2007
Messages
2,109
Reaction score
45
The late Randy Whitcomb's book is highly recommended. Moonbat's image is the Arrow Mk.3.

There were at least three different ram-jet studies. The ram-jet assisted series began with the Arrow PS-1 with cranked wings (near-parallel chord on the outer panels), wingtip ram jets, and canards mounted above/behind the rear cockpit. The concept evolved into the six-engined Arrow PS-2.

The Arrow PS-2 had less extreme cranked outer panels. On the outer wing join-line were pylons fitted with both the permanently-mounted Curtiss-Wright ram-jets (two per side) and the much-shortened main undercarriage. Compared with the Arrow Mk.2, the PS-2's nose was lengthened with retractable canards in the added bay.

The Arrow PS-2 was submitted to the USAF [who also funded it, IIRC]. The concept was judged sound (although some doubted performance claims, which Whitcomb took issue with) but the design was excessively fast at the expense of range.

The Arrow Mk.4 was essentially a simplified, reduced performance PS-2. The Mk.4 retained the pylon arrangement but the Curtiss-Wright ram-jets were smaller.

I've seen the GOR.339 Arrow development described as a Mk.2 with thicker wing skins. It was my impression that the GOR.339 design was based on the Mk.4 (ie: not drop tanks but permanent fuel pods which include the main gear).

[BTW, the ABM launch image is by Paul McDonell with RL Whitcomb]
 

Attachments

hesham

CLEARANCE: Above Top Secret
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
23,857
Reaction score
893
Hi,

A projected version of the Avro Canada CF-105 Arrow with four ramjets under its wing, in addition to the two turbojets in the fuselage, fires an anti-satellite missile.
 

Attachments

XP67_Moonbat

CLEARANCE: Top Secret
Joined
Jan 16, 2008
Messages
2,154
Reaction score
11
Hesh! Shukren! I've been looking for that. I need a new fancy wallpaper for my computer at school.
 

Apophenia

CLEARANCE: Top Secret
Joined
Jul 25, 2007
Messages
2,109
Reaction score
45
hesham said:
A projected version of the Avro Canada CF-105 Arrow with four ramjets under its wing, in addition to the two turbojets in the fuselage, fires an anti-satellite missile.
This is the Arrow PS-2 painted by Paul McDonell (whose mach3graphics site seems to have disappeared). The original was painted for the late Randy Whitcomb's "Avro Aircraft & the Cold War" as mentioned above.
 

royabulgaf

CLEARANCE: Secret
Joined
Dec 29, 2008
Messages
408
Reaction score
7
I love it when the missile launcher pops out of the Arrow. BOINNG! Is that a satellite launcher in your bomb bay or are you just happy to see me? ;D
 

overscan

Administrator
Staff member
Joined
Dec 27, 2005
Messages
11,443
Reaction score
744
Merged various Arrow topics.
 

airrocket

Dreams To Reality
Joined
Mar 3, 2008
Messages
291
Reaction score
2
Website
RetroFlight.com
Iranian Arrow...there must be some wiggle room or the rules become stifling to the flow of information and knowledge. I found the reference very interesting lending credence to the concept in general.
 

Avimimus

CLEARANCE: Top Secret
Joined
Dec 16, 2007
Messages
1,913
Reaction score
14
I take it that there were never any proposals for a strike/bomber derivative?
 

Hammer Birchgrove

CLEARANCE: Top Secret
Joined
May 13, 2009
Messages
586
Reaction score
1
Avimimus said:
I take it that there were never any proposals for a strike/bomber derivative?
There was some (limited?) interest in an interdictor version of the Arrow by the RAF (along with the B-58 Hustler :eek: and some other North American planes), but it was decided to ask the British aircraft industry to build something of their design, which lead to the TSR-2.
 

elmayerle

CLEARANCE: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Jan 8, 2006
Messages
1,251
Reaction score
8
Avimimus said:
I take it that there were never any proposals for a strike/bomber derivative?
Actually, according to Randall Whitcomb, and other Arrow sources, there was a proposal put to the RAF for such. I believe Randall's book on Avro Aircraft has a picture he made of it in consultation with Jim Floyd.
 

hesham

CLEARANCE: Above Top Secret
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
23,857
Reaction score
893
Also from the report; Arrow Countdown


the Arrow wind tunnel Model.
 

Attachments

blackkite

Don't laugh, don't cry, don't even curse, but.....
Joined
May 31, 2007
Messages
5,779
Reaction score
270
Hi!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG04_Ixzhw4
 

blackkite

Don't laugh, don't cry, don't even curse, but.....
Joined
May 31, 2007
Messages
5,779
Reaction score
270
Hi!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UmDYc8s3YY
 

CiTrus90

Credibility is down! Kill ratio is up!
Joined
Jan 16, 2015
Messages
358
Reaction score
157
Mr. Miranda, words cannot describe the gratitude i feel for all the awsome drawings you're sharing. Thank you so much!

Regards.
 

Hobbes

CLEARANCE: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
May 9, 2008
Messages
681
Reaction score
42
$75 shipping for a 7x9" drawing? :eek:
 

hesham

CLEARANCE: Above Top Secret
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
23,857
Reaction score
893
Nice find my dear Scott.
 

Orionblamblam

CLEARANCE: Above Top Secret
Top Contributor
Senior Member
Joined
Apr 5, 2006
Messages
7,346
Reaction score
208
Website
www.aerospaceprojectsreview.com
Hobbes said:
$75 shipping for a 7x9" drawing? :eek:
You begin to see why these diagrams aren't really my thing.

Besides: I suspect that what's really going on here is the seller isn't so much selling diagrams, but shipping himself out of Canada piecemeal. The desperation of the poor Canadian refugees trying to flee their blighted land is really quite heartbreaking. But we must remain firm: if there is a mass migration of Canucks, they're bring their problems with them, and we'll soon be overrun with wendols and poutine and Celine Dion.
 

overscan

Administrator
Staff member
Joined
Dec 27, 2005
Messages
11,443
Reaction score
744
Browsing his stuff I found a "Korean British AVRO Vulcan Reference Book"

Wow, the little-known Korean British Avro Vulcan.
 

Apophenia

CLEARANCE: Top Secret
Joined
Jul 25, 2007
Messages
2,109
Reaction score
45
Orionblamblam said:
... if there is a mass migration of Canucks, they're bring their problems with them, and we'll soon be overrun with wendols and poutine and Celine Dion.
Too late ... Celine Dion already 'snowbirds' in Vegas. Ha! She's your's and we won't take her back! You can't make us! ;D
 

Archibald

CLEARANCE: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 6, 2006
Messages
2,373
Reaction score
153
and let's not forget the devastation caused by Bryan Adams
https://www.google.fr/webhp?ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=ZWn1VsuWIIfyUOeRgcAJ#q=south+park+bryan+adams
 

sferrin

CLEARANCE: Above Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 3, 2011
Messages
11,918
Reaction score
269
Archibald said:
and let's not forget the devastation caused by Bryan Adams
https://www.google.fr/webhp?ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=ZWn1VsuWIIfyUOeRgcAJ#q=south+park+bryan+adams
But for every Bryan Adams there's a Rush or William Shatner.
 

fightingirish

CLEARANCE: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 3, 2006
Messages
2,129
Reaction score
100
B)
Avro CF-105 "Arrow" Aircraft Preliminary Progress Report - 1957 Educational Documentary
Mock-ups, models, and early design tests of a Canadian advanced interceptor aircraft.

The Avro Canada CF-105 Arrow was a delta-winged interceptor aircraft designed and built by Avro Canada. The Arrow is considered to have been an advanced technical and aerodynamic achievement for the Canadian aviation industry. The CF-105 (Mark 2) held the promise of near-Mach 2 speeds at altitudes of 50,000 feet (15,000 m) and was intended to serve as the Royal Canadian Air Force's (RCAF) primary interceptor in the 1960s and beyond.

On 20 February 1959, the development of the Arrow and its Iroquois engines was abruptly halted before the project review had taken place. Two months later, the assembly line, tooling, plans and existing airframes and engines were ordered to be destroyed. The cancellation was the topic of considerable political controversy at the time, and the subsequent destruction of the aircraft in production remains a topic for debate among historians and industry pundits. Officially, the reason given for the destruction order from cabinet and the chiefs of staff was to destroy classified and "secret" materials used in the Arrow and Iroquois programs. The action has been attributed to Royal Canadian Mounted Police fears that a Soviet "mole" had infiltrated Avro, later confirmed to some degree in the Mitrokhin archives.
https://youtu.be/dG031_iPGI4
Code:
https://youtu.be/dG031_iPGI4
Dear mods, if someone else posted this video before, please delate this post!
 

overscan

Administrator
Staff member
Joined
Dec 27, 2005
Messages
11,443
Reaction score
744
NACA Research Memorandum

LONGITUDINAL AND LATERAL STABILITY, CONTROL CHARACTERISTICS, AND VERTICAL-TAIL-LOAD MEASUREMENTS FOR 0.03-SCALE MODEL OF THE AVRO CF-105 AIRPLANE AT MACH NUMBER 1.41

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20050028458.pdf
 

Attachments

Stargazer2006

CLEARANCE: Above Top Secret
Staff member
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 25, 2009
Messages
13,243
Reaction score
82
Orionblamblam said:
if there is a mass migration of Canucks, they're bring their problems with them, and we'll soon be overrun with wendols and poutine and Celine Dion.
;D ;D ;D

PaulMM (Overscan) said:
Browsing his stuff I found a "Korean British AVRO Vulcan Reference Book"
Wow, the little-known Korean British Avro Vulcan.
More like a Korean "British Avro Vulcan" Reference Book to me...
 

overscan

Administrator
Staff member
Joined
Dec 27, 2005
Messages
11,443
Reaction score
744
No..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Korean-British-AVRO-Vulcan-Reference-Book-/221894469904?hash=item33a9f0e910:g:SMkAAOSwHjNWAwv~

I *think* given he has labelled other stuff as "WW2" and "Post WW2" he is thinking Vulcan is a Korean war era aeroplane. Well, the prototype did first fly in 1952 and the Korean war dragged on to 1953, but I really can't see how that makes it "Korean War era" when it didn't enter service until 3 years after the war ended.
 

blackkite

Don't laugh, don't cry, don't even curse, but.....
Joined
May 31, 2007
Messages
5,779
Reaction score
270
Hi!

http://www.avromuseum.com/drawings.html

Arrow Ⅱ project.
http://www.avromuseum.com/yearly-status-report.html

http://www.avromuseum.com/uploads/1/8/3/9/18390559/masterplan2014.pdf
http://www.avromuseum.com/uploads/1/8/3/9/18390559/arrow_2_specs_with_pics.pdf
http://www.avromuseum.com/uploads/1/8/3/9/18390559/2015_arrow_ii_spec_form.pdf
 

Attachments

blackkite

Don't laugh, don't cry, don't even curse, but.....
Joined
May 31, 2007
Messages
5,779
Reaction score
270
Full scale replica is here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Air_and_Space_Museum

http://www.warbirdsnews.com/aviation-museum-news/part-canadian-air-space-museums-collection-transfered-storage.html
 
Top