Atlantik bomber kreuzer

T. A. Gardner said:
I would say these would have some serious issues with working in any sort of seaway. That hull design certainly doesn't bode well for stability underway. The most aft turret on several of those designs would have a very small magazine too. The deck plan of the large Atlantic bomber-cruiser doesn't give confidence that ship could turn more than about 24 knots unless the SHP was really disproportionate. They all look like they're running on diesels too. That means 20 to 24 knots is going to be about it for them, maybe 26 in a pinch. Then there's the problem of no hangers or maintenance space. As it is, if the ship is caught with the planes aboard and has to fight with guns, that's the end of the planes and worse, if those planes are fueled the ship becomes a funeral pyre.
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I have seen images of projects and power projected installed were about near double installed on Graf Spee . So i have seen the crazy idea of runway for aircraft in open sea.
 
The Archivist said:
Seems like it. I spent a couple of hours looking through the Bundesarchiv and found drawings of the projects, and I also managed to find a torpedo boat with the same hull design.

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Looks like one solid torpedo hit and down it goes! The internal compartmentation is nothing and that hull form pretty much ensures massive flooding and the loss of power if the engine room(s) get hit. It looks like the naval architect was inspired by a canoe!
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Looks like one solid torpedo hit and down it goes! The internal compartmentation is nothing and that hull form pretty much ensures massive flooding and the loss of power if the engine room(s) get hit. It looks like the naval architect was inspired by a canoe!
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This might explain why they didn't build it...
 
All those designs came from the "Arbeitsgemeinschaft Leichtmetallbau" (consortium for light metal construction),
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not from one of the old-established shipyards ! Haven't found any detail about that consortium, but the mentioned location of the design office somehow makes it not very probable, that they were busy with seagoing ship designs as their daily bread...
Those designs probably were as much meant to be built, as the H-44 !
February 1940 was a time, when Germany was still dreaming of winning the war in a matter of weeks ! For the industry, that certainly had run up considerably its production of aluminium, this may have been kind of a menace ! So it seems natural, that they wanted to remember, that aluminium could not only be used for aircraft, but for ships, too. And some "revolutionary" proposals by cobbling together several unusual design points, could have been a good door opener to the "Amt für Kriegschiffbau" (Office for warship construction) ;
"Of course they are nonsense, but apart from that, using aluminium could really be a good idea !"
 
On Projects of the ships when i have seen Junkers Jumo 2200 PS i had thinked about Junkers Jumo 223 ( it was in development in that period).
 
Jemiba said:
not from one of the old-established shipyards ! Haven't found any detail about that consortium, but the mentioned location of the design office somehow makes it not very probable, that they were busy with seagoing ship designs as their daily bread...
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My suspicion is, that it was an attempt of some aluminum-producing companies to enter the market of naval shipbuilding. The "speedboat" forms and preference to aircraft engines indicates that they likely worked from aviation point of view, and any maritine engineers they have likely were from small racing boat shipyards.
 
Dilandu said:
My suspicion is, that it was an attempt of some aluminum-producing companies to enter the market of naval shipbuilding. The "speedboat" forms and preference to aircraft engines indicates that they likely worked from aviation point of view, and any maritine engineers they have likely were from small racing boat shipyards.
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Of course , aluminum due the high-cost, i suppose if these new type of "speedship" were built could have been uniques and experimentals.
 
airman said:
Of course , aluminum due the high-cost, i suppose if these new type of "speedship" were built could have been uniques and experimentals.
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Well, since it would be govenment's money...) I doubt that Consortium cared much about results. Their goal was likely to woo Nazi leadership with "bold, genius idea" and secure funding for experiments.
 
Any knows projected tonn of
Zerstörer, Typ Hochseejäger

Leichter Convoi-Zerstörer


Flugzeug-(Zerstörer) Kreuzer

Atlantikbomber-Kreuzer ?
i have seen now : destroyer 1500 tonn ( 4350 tonn if were costructed normally), cruisers 4350 tonn (12615 tonn if were constructed normally)
 
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